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Russians Really Do Like the US.
« on: October 16, 2015, 03:34:44 PM »
After the last few years of sanctions against Russia and record low oil prices that some attribute to an American led conspiracy to bankrupt Russia it would seem natural to believe that Russians hate the US. In fact a recent survey released this week by the independent Levada Center polling group in Moscow showed 71 percent said the U.S. played "a negative role in the world," up from 50 percent who held that view two years ago.

In fact there is other evidence to say that many Russians want to immigrate to the US. For instance, the State Department says Russian applications for the U.S. green-card lottery hit an all-time high of 265,086 this year, even though only about 4,000 of 100,000 slots in the drawing were set aside for Russians.

Other sources of Russians trying to enter the US. Visas were issued to 245,638 Russians last year to work or study temporarily in the U.S. That number is double a decade ago even though Russia's population hasn't increased. Family and other reasons allowed 3,622 Russians to settle permanently in the US last year. This number also included 56 Russians who were given visas for investing at least $500,000 in job-creating businesses.

I wonder where the tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of westerners come from who are supposedly immigrating to Russia annually? There's the obvious ones such as Edward Snowden, although he doesn't have Russian citizenship, only the right to live in Russia for a set time. Then of course there's Gérard Depardieu who was granted Russian citizenship by Putin. Roy Jones Jr. was also recently granted Russian citizenship by Putin reportedly so Jones could travel more freely to and in Russia for boxing matches.

I'm sure there are a few others that move to Russia for family reasons and end up taking out Russian citizenship just to make life easier but realistically westerners don't move to Russia permanently. This is easily seen by the fact that few if any on forums such as RUA have done so. Perhaps Russia should start a green card system like the US maybe that would raise interest in Russia as a permanent destination for western immigrants.



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-16/if-russians-hate-the-u-s-so-much-why-do-they-want-to-move-there-
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Re: Russians Really Do Like the US.
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2015, 03:54:24 PM »


Westcoast, you are acting weird again.  :sick0012:  :rolleye0009:  :fighting0025:

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Re: Russians Really Do Like the US.
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2015, 04:38:09 PM »


Westcoast, you are acting weird again.  :sick0012:  :rolleye0009:  :fighting0025:

Thank you Maxx coming from you that's a compliment. When you leaving for Georgia?
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Re: Russians Really Do Like the US.
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2015, 06:18:47 PM »


Westcoast, you are acting weird again.  :sick0012:  :rolleye0009:  :fighting0025:

Thank you Maxx coming from you that's a compliment. When you leaving for Georgia?

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Re: Russians Really Do Like the US.
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2015, 06:26:02 PM »
It's a 'goddamned show'. SVR and CIA are pulling the strings, pretending to hate each other but are aiming for the terrorist target, the commie Obama and the commies of Congress and Russian Parliament. They dangle things such that one will be tempted to bite and blow his/her cover and surface as a commie. Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, George Tenet, Barack Obama, Kerry, etc. ;D

Of all people why would George \Tenet hate Pollard when Fidel Castro is the most venomous enemy of USA. He did not even implement operational policies against the psychopathic illegal immigrants of Cuba nor influence the Elian Gonzales case to USA's favor. He even gave a posthumous award to Ana Belen Montes, a busted Cuban mole. He hated USA! He hated Israel. His heart goes to Cuba! :laugh:

Socialism is not justified by the election of Obama. If Obama was open with his ideological beliefs before or during his campaign then I give in. He was hiding under the façade of liberalism, a center-right economic ideology despised by extreme Leftists Stalin, Trotsky and Lenin. Deception of the highest order!
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Re: Russians Really Do Like the US.
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2015, 12:56:51 AM »
After the last few years of sanctions against Russia and record low oil prices that some attribute to an American led conspiracy to bankrupt Russia it would seem natural to believe that Russians hate the US. In fact a recent survey released this week by the independent Levada Center polling group in Moscow showed 71 percent said the U.S. played "a negative role in the world," up from 50 percent who held that view two years ago.

In fact there is other evidence to say that many Russians want to immigrate to the US. For instance, the State Department says Russian applications for the U.S. green-card lottery hit an all-time high of 265,086 this year, even though only about 4,000 of 100,000 slots in the drawing were set aside for Russians.

Other sources of Russians trying to enter the US. Visas were issued to 245,638 Russians last year to work or study temporarily in the U.S. That number is double a decade ago even though Russia's population hasn't increased. Family and other reasons allowed 3,622 Russians to settle permanently in the US last year. This number also included 56 Russians who were given visas for investing at least $500,000 in job-creating businesses.

I wonder where the tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of westerners come from who are supposedly immigrating to Russia annually? There's the obvious ones such as Edward Snowden, although he doesn't have Russian citizenship, only the right to live in Russia for a set time. Then of course there's Gérard Depardieu who was granted Russian citizenship by Putin. Roy Jones Jr. was also recently granted Russian citizenship by Putin reportedly so Jones could travel more freely to and in Russia for boxing matches.

I'm sure there are a few others that move to Russia for family reasons and end up taking out Russian citizenship just to make life easier but realistically westerners don't move to Russia permanently. This is easily seen by the fact that few if any on forums such as RUA have done so. Perhaps Russia should start a green card system like the US maybe that would raise interest in Russia as a permanent destination for western immigrants.



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-16/if-russians-hate-the-u-s-so-much-why-do-they-want-to-move-there-

The reasons you do not see many guys from forums such as this one relocating to Russia is a pretty simple answer!! MOST guys who find themselves on forums such as this one are desperadoes trying to find a young teenage wife :laugh:

Your in the wrong forum completely if your looking to find guys wishing to relocate to Russia, try the likes of expat.ru or others out there..

Life is different for everyone, I have heard of many women relocating to the US only to be disappointed. I think you will also find 56 Russians given visas for investing in the UK along with 56 Russians investing in Germany.

Each to themselves in life. Obviously life in the US is not so good for you?? As your searching in Russia for a wife :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: Russians Really Do Like the US.
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2015, 12:58:17 AM »
Sorry that should be obviously life is not so good for you in Canada? As your searching a wife in Russia :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: Russians Really Do Like the US.
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2015, 03:48:31 AM »
Sorry that should be obviously life is not so good for you in Canada? As your searching a wife in Russia :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'm sure Westy's wife would be 'interested' he was looking for a Russian wife  :chuckle:

Meanwhile, has anyone got Russian FMA figures for the numbers of US Citizens applying for settlement visas in Russia ?

Westy's point is well made..though I could live in Sochi  :chuckle:

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Re: Russians Really Do Like the US.
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2015, 06:31:30 AM »
Sorry that should be obviously life is not so good for you in Canada? As your searching a wife in Russia :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'm sure Westy's wife would be 'interested' he was looking for a Russian wife  :chuckle:

Meanwhile, has anyone got Russian FMA figures for the numbers of US Citizens applying for settlement visas in Russia ?

Westy's point is well made..though I could live in Sochi  :chuckle:

Nearly every expat I know  loves living in Russia and some have no intention of returning home including myself.
Probably many more would live in Russia. But the problem is nobody ever imagines living in Russia! They assume it snows all year, no jobs, no food, all women are prostitutes , the KGB follow your every move :laugh:
Thats because it has been drummed into them in the media. Look at every hollywood movie with any scenes in Russia  :laugh: Its always cold, everyone has a Lada and is drinking Vodka..

So why on earth would many people ever dream of relocating to Russia??

My sisters husband a few years back was adamant they will not ever visit Russia! "Your not going to that place" he said to my sister , as though it was Afghanistan. Funny both of them have been over 4 times now, this summer were meeting up with them in Moldova and driving back to St Petersburg for a few weeks..

Different outlook completely now.  The same reason most "Would never dream of living in Russia"

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Re: Russians Really Do Like the US.
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2015, 09:47:24 AM »
After the last few years of sanctions against Russia and record low oil prices that some attribute to an American led conspiracy to bankrupt Russia it would seem natural to believe that Russians hate the US. In fact a recent survey released this week by the independent Levada Center polling group in Moscow showed 71 percent said the U.S. played "a negative role in the world," up from 50 percent who held that view two years ago.

In fact there is other evidence to say that many Russians want to immigrate to the US. For instance, the State Department says Russian applications for the U.S. green-card lottery hit an all-time high of 265,086 this year, even though only about 4,000 of 100,000 slots in the drawing were set aside for Russians.

Other sources of Russians trying to enter the US. Visas were issued to 245,638 Russians last year to work or study temporarily in the U.S. That number is double a decade ago even though Russia's population hasn't increased. Family and other reasons allowed 3,622 Russians to settle permanently in the US last year. This number also included 56 Russians who were given visas for investing at least $500,000 in job-creating businesses.

I wonder where the tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of westerners come from who are supposedly immigrating to Russia annually? There's the obvious ones such as Edward Snowden, although he doesn't have Russian citizenship, only the right to live in Russia for a set time. Then of course there's Gérard Depardieu who was granted Russian citizenship by Putin. Roy Jones Jr. was also recently granted Russian citizenship by Putin reportedly so Jones could travel more freely to and in Russia for boxing matches.

I'm sure there are a few others that move to Russia for family reasons and end up taking out Russian citizenship just to make life easier but realistically westerners don't move to Russia permanently. This is easily seen by the fact that few if any on forums such as RUA have done so. Perhaps Russia should start a green card system like the US maybe that would raise interest in Russia as a permanent destination for western immigrants.



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-16/if-russians-hate-the-u-s-so-much-why-do-they-want-to-move-there-

The reasons you do not see many guys from forums such as this one relocating to Russia is a pretty simple answer!! MOST guys who find themselves on forums such as this one are desperadoes trying to find a young teenage wife :laugh:

Don't know about a "young teenage wife" but there have been a few guys of these forums who have married a FSUW 20 years and even more than 30+ years younger than themselves. The essence of your statement is true for some.

 
Your in the wrong forum completely if your looking to find guys wishing to relocate to Russia, try the likes of expat.ru or others out there..

I'm not saying that of all men who marry RW only those who make statements such as my government sucks and Putin's such a great guy. If that is the attitude of a western man why not relocate to Russia?

With a Russian wife he has a connection to Russia. She can help him learn the language and culture, adjust to life in Russia, how to bank, how to shop, public transportation, buying a car, buying a house, upgrading his job skills, finding a job, getting citizenship, enrolling the kids in school, etc, etc.

Now's the time to do it with the Russian economy in the tank USD, GDP or euros will buy a lot more in Russia.

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Re: Russians Really Do Like the US.
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2015, 10:35:59 AM »

That's a good reply WestCoast.

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Re: Russians Really Do Like the US.
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2015, 12:24:26 PM »
Westcoast, that comment is as simpleminded as, well, it is different words for 'if you don't like it here then go there' a sentiment that you have espoused before now.

Moving country because one does not like the government chosen by the electorate is ridiculous - for most people there are many reasons to like living in a place, even if it is not perfect. Life is a pattern of compromises and constrained choices.

Sensible people, unless forced to move by warfare or similar disasters, tend to move for positive reasons. They move TO something not AWAY from something.

No, it was not a good reply.

Maxx, what are you moving TO? You might want to think about that if you have not already done so.

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Re: Russians Really Do Like the US.
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2015, 01:00:48 PM »
Westcoast, that comment is as simpleminded as, well, it is different words for 'if you don't like it here then go there' a sentiment that you have espoused before now.

Moving country because one does not like the government chosen by the electorate is ridiculous - for most people there are many reasons to like living in a place, even if it is not perfect. Life is a pattern of compromises and constrained choices.

Sensible people, unless forced to move by warfare or similar disasters, tend to move for positive reasons. They move TO something not AWAY from something.

No, it was not a good reply.

Maxx, what are you moving TO? You might want to think about that if you have not already done so.

For WestCoast it was a good reply. He restrained himself.

I agree relocating to another country should never be on account of some emotional rejection of your own country. It is a bad way to start out. It is rather similar to those American men who reject all American women and head off overseas to get a "good" foreign wife. They usually bring their "feminist" hating baggage with them.

For me it is not about finding a foreign wife but rather an exploration of a better more affordable place to live. I'm not locked into any country. Perhaps I'll wind up in Estonia and I can encourage all us Western retirees to retire there?   

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2015, 01:01:48 PM »
Westcoast, that comment is as simpleminded as, well, it is different words for 'if you don't like it here then go there' a sentiment that you have espoused before now.

Not at all. Obviously I'm referring to a man who has had long term differences of opinion with his government on how the federal government should be run and what directions it should be moving in. Also he should be doing his research on the best options for moving to Russia. Doing prep work such as learning the language, upgrading job skills for the Russian work force. Taking a trip or 2 to Russia to lay the ground work for a move. Plus any number of other prep work.

   
Moving country because one does not like the government chosen by the electorate is ridiculous - for most people there are many reasons to like living in a place, even if it is not perfect. Life is a pattern of compromises and constrained choices.

People move to different countries all the time because they don't like their federal government. As I've mentioned in the past I do volunteer work with a group that helps immigrants moving to Canada.

I constantly see people moving to Canada because they disagree with their government's actions. Not just people from China and Vietnam countries that many in the west would consider authoritarian by our standards but people from highly industrialised countries such as Japan and Korea. There are also a great number of Americans, Brits and other EU citizens living in Vancouver and Canada as a whole.

Sensible people, unless forced to move by warfare or similar disasters, tend to move for positive reasons. They move TO something not AWAY from something.

Andrew if someone has had long term disagreements with their government over its actions and the opportunity to move to a country that more suits their personal philosophy why not move? If this situation allows your wife to move back to a country she loves and where she has family and friends its even better.

In this case the western man is moving to a better life, at least in his opinion, in Russia.
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