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Obama Says Putins Actions In Syria Are Out Of Weakness
« on: October 03, 2015, 06:10:47 PM »
Obama has such a frail ego that he's now saying nonsense like this . . . . . .

(watch video)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/02/president-obama-says-syrian-leader-assad-must-go/

Is he completely delusional?
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Re: Obama Says Putins Actions In Syria Are Out Of Weakness
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2015, 06:28:55 PM »
Obama has such a frail ego that he's now saying nonsense like this . . . . . .

(watch video)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/02/president-obama-says-syrian-leader-assad-must-go/

Is he completely delusional?

Shakey, there are pundits who are saying that Putin is in Syria on the chance that the ongoing war could push out the price oil which Russia desperately needs to happen. In some ways this is supported by the fact that Iran is sending in ground troops to Syria to act as "boots on the ground" for Russia's air power. Iran's economy, which gets much of its foreign revenue from oil, also really needs the price of oil to return to at least $100/barrel.

IMHO the US and EU should leave Syria, let Russia and Iran take the battle to ISIS. None of the pundits I've read are predicting that Russia will make much of a difference in Syria with its current limited air power only strategy. As for Iran, ISIS is not friendly with Iran and will have no problems going to war against Iran. If Muslims continue to flock to ISIS, ISIS should have only limited if any problems handling the Iranian military.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/01/the-real-reason-putin-is-in-syria-commentary.html
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Re: Obama Says Putins Actions In Syria Are Out Of Weakness
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2015, 09:27:13 PM »
Shakey, there are pundits who are saying that Putin is in Syria on the chance that the ongoing war could push out the price oil which Russia desperately needs to happen. In some ways this is supported by the fact that Iran is sending in ground troops to Syria to act as "boots on the ground" for Russia's air power. Iran's economy, which gets much of its foreign revenue from oil, also really needs the price of oil to return to at least $100/barrel.

 :ROFL:  Dontcha know, Westy, as any of our conspiracy-minded friends here will tell you, only *AMERICA* fights wars for oil!   :ROFL:

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Re: Obama Says Putins Actions In Syria Are Out Of Weakness
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2015, 02:22:08 PM »
Shakey, there are pundits who are saying that Putin is in Syria on the chance that the ongoing war could push out the price oil which Russia desperately needs to happen. In some ways this is supported by the fact that Iran is sending in ground troops to Syria to act as "boots on the ground" for Russia's air power. Iran's economy, which gets much of its foreign revenue from oil, also really needs the price of oil to return to at least $100/barrel.

 :ROFL:  Dontcha know, Westy, as any of our conspiracy-minded friends here will tell you, only *AMERICA* fights wars for oil!   :ROFL:

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Re: Obama Says Putins Actions In Syria Are Out Of Weakness
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2015, 03:44:14 PM »
If one wanted to increase the price of oil by violent means there are quicker and easier ways to accomplish that goal.

Given the cost of production it is safe to say that Russia's situation in respect of the cost of oil is much less of a concern than that in the US. However Russia does have an interest in the energy aspect of the geopolitics. My guess is that this is not an overwhelming reason why Russia has chosen this time to support the Syrian government and state. In that regard Russia is as well served by a destabilised Middle East as the United States and Israel.

Gentlemen, time to do some learning about those things you witter on about.

But, yes, Shakespear is correct, Obama's pronouncements both at the General Assembly and in the days since do him and the United States no favours. From this point on, no matter what the US does, the deceit and lies from the US have become visible and the lack of a coherent plan, or the ability to react to matters signalled well in advance, show the US up in a very poor light indeed.

For the Russians and the other members of the coalition actually taking action against ISIS and the other forces seeking to overthrow the legitimate government, this action is necessary for the protection of both the Syrian State and government and also for the coalition members own protection. However, the action being taken now shows that US claims of acting against ISIS were simply untrue - the US had the chance to not have that cat come out of the bag.
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Re: Obama Says Putins Actions In Syria Are Out Of Weakness
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2015, 09:41:18 AM »
But, yes, Shakespear is correct, Obama's pronouncements both at the General Assembly and in the days since do him and the United States no favours. From this point on, no matter what the US does, the deceit and lies from the US have become visible and the lack of a coherent plan, or the ability to react to matters signalled well in advance, show the US up in a very poor light indeed.

It all goes back to the truths outlined in great detail in the book I recently sent you.

Obama is a terribly weak President.  Such weakness creates a policy vacuum within the region which other perceptive leaders, like Putin, are more than willing to fill. 
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Re: Obama Says Putins Actions In Syria Are Out Of Weakness
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2015, 09:55:10 AM »
I think our understanding of the word 'great' is not shared.

Obama may be a weak president but the path down which the country travels was decided and set many years ago, well before Obama's time. What we are seeing now is an inevitability based upon poor,  possibly evil, choices made over a period of years but starting a generation and more ago.

Nixon may come me to be remembered for more than just Watergate and detente with China. Although it might well be argued that the U.S default that happened on his watch was the result of policy in which he had had no hand. He will get the blame though in generations to come after my demise.
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Re: Obama Says Putins Actions In Syria Are Out Of Weakness
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2015, 10:45:18 PM »
But, yes, Shakespear is correct, Obama's pronouncements both at the General Assembly and in the days since do him and the United States no favours. From this point on, no matter what the US does, the deceit and lies from the US have become visible and the lack of a coherent plan, or the ability to react to matters signalled well in advance, show the US up in a very poor light indeed.

It all goes back to the truths outlined in great detail in the book I recently sent you.

Obama is a terribly weak President.  Such weakness creates a policy vacuum within the region which other perceptive leaders, like Putin, are more than willing to fill.

Well said.  However this may yet play out to America's advantage.  Already Saudi Arabia and others are lining up against the Russian occupation of Syria.  Russia has lectured us these past few years about our foolish involvement in the ME, and yet now it's them who has made a decision to put their military in harms way over there.

Is this the beginning of Armageddon?  The Russian fighter plane going into Turkish aka NATO airspace was provocative.
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Re: Obama Says Putins Actions In Syria Are Out Of Weakness
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2015, 12:51:29 AM »
Crude oil up 5 percent and forecast to be at 55usd - following Russian involvement in Syria

Some of our resident 'experts' would be better posting less words and checking data before making stuff up.