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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2016, 04:59:33 AM »
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.

It seems that one is well advised to not carry too much cash on long car journeys in the USA.
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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2016, 05:53:21 AM »

Remember if they take it from one person, they can take it from another.
Funny how those things work :)
I don't remember anyone in Crimea being disowned. My MIL still owns her flat out-right.
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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2016, 08:12:32 AM »
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.


It seems that one is well advised to not carry too much cash on long car journeys in the USA.

Really??  Any you base this advise on what?
What is worse than not being able to get what you don't even want?


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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2016, 11:24:22 AM »
For a moment, I thought Russia was giving away the land, they Stole in Kyrm. :chuckle:

No doubt the elite carpet baggers who stole business's in Krym got some free land.  :hidechair:

Even those who welcomed the 'return' to Russian rule are not happy about the result / lack of visitor numbers ... but this will be my third time of trying

Get out 'trip report' recommended places in Crimea - and note - the 'closed' next to them .... :coffeeread:

You can of course provide verifiable links to support your above bolded statement, and not hearsay?
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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2016, 11:29:24 AM »

Remember if they take it from one person, they can take it from another.
Funny how those things work :)
I don't remember anyone in Crimea being disowned. My MIL still owns her flat out-right.

I believe that there were some land/property/businesses confiscations, which I think were more to do with those who left for their desired motherland.

There are properties for sale in Crimea, being advertised by Ukrainian owners, who no longer wish to own the said properties, but they have not been confiscated from the current owners.
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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2016, 02:10:30 PM »
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.


It seems that one is well advised to not carry too much cash on long car journeys in the USA.

Really??  Any you base this advise on what?
the thread is right here on this forum with numerous source links to media newspapers etc. Happy reading. I cant find the thread for you cause im on a mobile phone
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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2016, 02:32:11 PM »
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.


It seems that one is well advised to not carry too much cash on long car journeys in the USA.

Really??  Any you base this advise on what?
the thread is right here on this forum with numerous source links to media newspapers etc. Happy reading. I cant find the thread for you cause im on a mobile phone

To rest my nerves , the thread I talked about:

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,21693.msg381037.html#msg381037
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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2016, 07:04:35 PM »
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.


It seems that one is well advised to not carry too much cash on long car journeys in the USA.

Really??  Any you base this advise on what?
the thread is right here on this forum with numerous source links to media newspapers etc. Happy reading. I cant find the thread for you cause im on a mobile phone

To rest my nerves , the thread I talked about:

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,21693.msg381037.html#msg381037

Your Canadian source is full of BS.  Only a fool would carry large amounts of cash ANYWHERE.
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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2016, 04:03:55 AM »
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.

I don't live in the US. Sorry I never heard of "civil forfeiture"

The wiFe's land is gone, she checked into it after all that happened.
Someone was building on it and had legal documents to prove it was theirs.
I suspect the wife's legal documents, get null and void with Ukrainian passport :)
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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2016, 04:19:33 AM »
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.

I don't live in the US. Sorry I never heard of "civil forfeiture"

The wiFe's land is gone, she checked into it after all that happened.
Someone was building on it and had legal documents to prove it was theirs.
I suspect the wife's legal documents, get null and void with Ukrainian passport :)

Where was her land, Crimea??
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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2016, 04:22:17 AM »
Yankee, over here, in civilisation, we do not have police with the power to seize cash as in the USA. I have no need to be concerned about either illegal highway robbers or the state sanctioned variety.

The worst that one might expect here is an on the spot speeding ticket for, perhaps, €20. While I might choose to not carry tens of thousands of euros in my pocket that has more to do with my carelessness than fear of robbery by police. In the United States that would not be the case; I'd limit my cash in order to avoid the risk of civil forfeiture.

This is a real thing,  not imaginary, and it happens to real people.
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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2016, 06:29:31 AM »
Yankee, over here, in civilisation, we do not have police with the power to seize cash as in the USA. I have no need to be concerned about either illegal highway robbers or the state sanctioned variety.

The worst that one might expect here is an on the spot speeding ticket for, perhaps, €20. While I might choose to not carry tens of thousands of euros in my pocket that has more to do with my carelessness than fear of robbery by police. In the United States that would not be the case; I'd limit my cash in order to avoid the risk of civil forfeiture.

This is a real thing,  not imaginary, and it happens to real people.

The taking of personal property is not as arbitrary as you say.
What is worse than not being able to get what you don't even want?

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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2016, 06:48:44 AM »

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I don't remember anyone in Crimea being disowned. My MIL still owns her flat out-right.

I believe that there were some land/property/businesses confiscations, which I think were more to do with those who left for their desired motherland.

Hmm,

This article suggests differentlyhttp://uk.businessinsider.com/crimeas-new-russian-overlords-are-seizing-thousands-of-businesses-2014-12?r=US&IR=T

There are properties for sale in Crimea, being advertised by Ukrainian owners, who no longer wish to own the said properties, but they have not been confiscated from the current owners.

The very fact that this retort - plus my attempt to remind Markje, that the indigenous people - the Tatars - have already seen two waves of confiscations and ethnic cleansing - probably won't see the light of day  - makes one wonder...


I've been saving and screen grabbing all the articles as it might make an interesting article on 'soviet-style' censorship  :chuckle:

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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2016, 06:59:13 AM »
OK, Yankee, let us try to get this straight.

You tell us just how the civil forfeiture process works and tell us how the reports up thread are telling untruths.

Go for it. Bear in mind that this is not a secret, that the US Attorney General has gotten involved with the issue and there's lots of corroborating information about. So, colour me curious, what insight do you offer that overturns the concerns of the most senior legal officers in the United States?
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Re: Russia is giving away free land.
« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2016, 07:02:32 AM »
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In 'the civilised world' - does one have one's bank account raided - without warning - for 'non payment' of social fund / tax - which are up to date - without warning  ?