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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2015, 09:54:02 AM »
It is up to the UN and NATO to punish the dictator Assad and take him out of power if need be,

So, not the US then, as I said.  :coffeeread:

and take him out of power if need be,

Not happening without Russia's agreement. Hard to get used to over the pond perhaps that the US is not calling the shots here.

for using chemical weapons on his own people. 

There seems to be some doubt about that. Rather like WMD of days gone by.

the refugee crisis was not caused by US actions, it was caused by Assad's heinous actions. 

Yes of course.  (:)  Nobody wants to get away from ISIS, its just Assad controlling less than half of Syria isn't it? Read that and see how silly what you said sounds.

1.  The USA is the leading member of NATO, in case you forgot.  The UN is headquartered in NYC in the USA, and they bow to our political leadership, in case you forgot.  Perhaps I should refresh your memory when you admitted just such, by claiming that the lopsided vote condemning the annexation of Crimea was due to US pressure?

2.  Russia's military is no match for the full-force of the US military.  We just need a real leader to unleash the beast, and we will have it come 2017.  Enjoy the illusion while you can, it won't last long.

3.  Free Syrian rebels took out 24 Russian tanks in quick order, with anti-tank missiles supplied by the United States.  Try as Obama might to avoid a conflict with Russia, it's coming and it's going to make the Afghanistan debacle which caused the fall of the USSR look tame in comparison.   :coffeeread:


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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2015, 12:33:49 PM »
3.  Free Syrian rebels took out 24 Russian tanks in quick order, with anti-tank missiles supplied by the United States.  Try as Obama might to avoid a conflict with Russia, it's coming and it's going to make the Afghanistan debacle which caused the fall of the USSR look tame in comparison.   

Wait until a shipment of FIM-92 Stinger missiles arrive.

You won't hear too much about Russian air strikes after that. . . . . . . . . . . .
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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2015, 11:02:28 PM »
3.  Free Syrian rebels took out 24 Russian tanks in quick order, with anti-tank missiles supplied by the United States.  Try as Obama might to avoid a conflict with Russia, it's coming and it's going to make the Afghanistan debacle which caused the fall of the USSR look tame in comparison.   

Wait until a shipment of FIM-92 Stinger missiles arrive.

You won't hear too much about Russian air strikes after that. . . . . . . . . . . .

True 'dat!   :laugh:
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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2015, 02:45:17 AM »
3.  Free Syrian rebels took out 24 Russian tanks in quick order, with anti-tank missiles supplied by the United States.  Try as Obama might to avoid a conflict with Russia, it's coming and it's going to make the Afghanistan debacle which caused the fall of the USSR look tame in comparison.   

Wait until a shipment of FIM-92 Stinger missiles arrive.

You won't hear too much about Russian air strikes after that. . . . . . . . . . . .

True 'dat!   :laugh:
I think we wont see Stinger missiles there, because the USA doesn't want to fight Russia. They want to fight ISIS, but with the option to remove Assad, whilst Russia wants to fight ISIS.

See the distinction? I think Russia's plan is better. Worry about Assad later, when the true terrorists are defeated.
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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2015, 08:14:57 AM »
I think we wont see Stinger missiles there, because the USA doesn't want to fight Russia. They want to fight ISIS, but with the option to remove Assad, whilst Russia wants to fight ISIS.

See the distinction? I think Russia's plan is better. Worry about Assad later, when the true terrorists are defeated.

I think there is a flaw in your thinking. 

USA wants to fight BOTH Assad and ISIS using local liberty seeking patriots.

Russia wants to remove the local liberty seeking patriots, retain Assad and make it so the only enemy to fight is ISIL.

I guess that when the time is right (missile shipment arrived) the US government will announce a formal "no fly" zone for Russian aircraft within Syrian borders.  There will be one warning and then the locals will start shooting Russian airplanes out of the sky.   
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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2015, 08:33:48 AM »
I think there is a flaw in your thinking. 

USA wants to fight BOTH Assad and ISIS using local liberty seeking patriots.

There are no local liberty seeking patriots, only terrorists. I think 10+ years of irak, afghanistan, Kuwait, Libya, and now Syria have thought you guys that.

Those countries need a strong dictator-like leader to keep the crazies in check, thats what you still don't get after all this time.
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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2015, 08:39:14 AM »

Those countries need a strong dictator-like leader to keep the crazies in check, thats what you still don't get after all this time.

I can't believe your memory is this short-sighted.

How'd that "strong dictator" work out for your country in 1941-1945?
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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2015, 08:41:59 AM »
How'd that "strong dictator" work out for your country in 1941-1945?
Aww man, godwins law. I win.
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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2015, 08:49:59 AM »
Aww man, godwins law. I win.

All humor aside, Assad is a butcher.  I figured Europeans would be sensitive and understand the negative impact such a man can have on humanity.
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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2015, 08:54:37 AM »
Aww man, godwins law. I win.

All humor aside, Assad is a butcher.  I figured Europeans would be sensitive and understand the negative impact such a man can have on humanity.
Assad may be a butcher, but people weren't fleeing Syria by the millions when he was in charge, like they do now when ISIS is roaming around.

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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2015, 09:41:05 AM »
Assad may be a butcher, but people weren't fleeing Syria by the millions when he was in charge, like they do now when ISIS is roaming around.

They're fleeing BECAUSE of Assad and his use of chemical weapons on them.  Isis is just icing on the cake. 
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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #41 on: October 13, 2015, 09:50:55 AM »
Assad may be a butcher, but people weren't fleeing Syria by the millions when he was in charge, like they do now when ISIS is roaming around.

They're fleeing BECAUSE of Assad and his use of chemical weapons on them.  Isis is just icing on the cake.

You are being deceived Shakespear. The same people running the US military and NATO are the same ones in Washington you despise. I am talking about Obama and not known to you his CIA masterminds with their false flag operations (you named one of them) and the(ir) Main Stream Media.

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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2015, 10:27:00 AM »
Assad may be a butcher, but people weren't fleeing Syria by the millions when he was in charge, like they do now when ISIS is roaming around.

They're fleeing BECAUSE of Assad and his use of chemical weapons on them.  Isis is just icing on the cake.

You don't honestly believe that do you?
A serious matter about which to joke but if that was supposed to be humorous how about using a smiley face or something similar?
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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2015, 10:37:23 AM »
I guess that when the time is right (missile shipment arrived) the US government will announce a formal "no fly" zone for Russian aircraft within Syrian borders.  There will be one warning and then the locals will start shooting Russian airplanes out of the sky.

Illegal under international law.  Period.  Not that the US cares about international law but if the Russians start supplying Al Quaeda cells in USA with portable SAM missiles what would you think or do?

Syria was peaceful before the west started to foment regime change.  OK Assad was a dictator but he was acting like the whitest angel descended from heaven compared to how Al Nusrah (your terrorists!) behave right now...

Sure as the civil war progressed Assad became more brutal - after all he was fighting for survival against the most brutal foes you can imagine.  I visited Syria several times before this all began.  I live 5 hours drive from the Syrian border. The west has devastated a sovereign nation and shows not the slightest remorse...

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Re: Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America
« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2015, 10:37:56 AM »
Assad may be a butcher, but people weren't fleeing Syria by the millions when he was in charge, like they do now when ISIS is roaming around.

They're fleeing BECAUSE of Assad and his use of chemical weapons on them.  Isis is just icing on the cake.

Exactly.  Furthermore Russian airstrikes are not hitting ISIS, they are hitting Assad opposition forces.
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