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Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« on: September 01, 2015, 02:39:53 PM »
This could get interesting if what is in the linked article is accurate: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria, Set Forward Operating Base Near Damascus

More here:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html

Yet curiously, RT says its not true: http://www.rt.com/news/314010-syria-russia-planes-isis/
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Re: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2015, 02:51:26 PM »
The original report came from an Israeli source and seems to have given rise to another case of Chinese Whispers.

I'd be surprised if the RT story was incorrect.
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Re: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2015, 03:32:57 PM »
The original report came from an Israeli source and seems to have given rise to another case of Chinese Whispers.

I'd be surprised if the RT story was incorrect.

They havent wasted any time denying it on their squiggly channel either: RT article in squiggly
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Re: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2015, 03:43:13 PM »
I never knew that you were fluent in squiggly. :)

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Re: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2015, 10:36:02 AM »
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Re: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2015, 10:39:50 AM »
If he says it ain't so then it ain't so!
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Re: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2015, 06:42:19 PM »
Not saying it's true, just putting it out there for debate.

White House 'monitoring' reports Russian military is in Syria

http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-monitoring-reports-russian-military-syria-213836626.html

Russian troops 'fighting alongside Assad's army against Syrian rebels'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11840713/Russian-troops-fighting-alongside-Assads-army-against-Syrian-rebels.html
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Re: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2015, 07:12:27 PM »
Russia is not all that different than the U.S..
If Russia can give military tech, support to Syria, then it's fine and dandy the United states training Ukrainian troops.
Apple's, oranges. :)

No secret in Russian-Syrian military technical cooperation — Russian Foreign Ministry

http://tass.ru/en/russia/818572
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Re: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2015, 01:28:22 AM »
Russia is not all that different than the U.S..
If Russia can give military tech, support to Syria, then it's fine and dandy the United states training Ukrainian troops.
Apple's, oranges. :)

Not the same. Russia supports Assad as he is the president (and it is in their interests to do so). The US tends to arm terrorists and other interlopers as we saw in Ukraine and elsewhere. Then they look surprised when said puppets decide to do their own thing as with ISIS.

Removing the incumbent, especially when you don't grasp the ramifications of so doing, will cause crap. Example is Libya, Ukraine and Iraq.

There is a good case for Russia helping Assad, and stopping all Syria coming under control of ISIS.

The world talks about not wanting ISIS, but I think there is another story at play here as we simply watch them get stronger and nibble around the edges with drones. A coalition of capable countries could snuff out ISIS quite quickly I think. The question is why isn't that the focus but Assad is? We are led to believe Russia is a "threat" and Assad should go (why isn't elaborated on) but watching ISIS take over the region so effectively seems to not be a priority.

Are the western drones being used as one would herd a pack of sheep, towards Damascus?
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Re: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2015, 02:04:00 AM »

Russia is not all that different than the U.S..
If Russia can give military tech, support to Syria, then it's fine and dandy the United states training Ukrainian troops.
Apple's, oranges. :)


Not the same.

EXACTLY, the same... But Manny can do not be objective. Assad, is no angel, but the dilemma is his loss of control of territory has not resulted in a democratic govt. ... and he protected Christian communities that are threatened by Muslim extremists. The Kremlin  sells AK 47's to places in Africa where it knows they'll be used to try to remove elected govts. Let's be honest here ...most 'developed' nations sell arms to protect regimes that they want in their sphere of influence..no matter how undemocratic, unpleasant they may be. 


Russia supports Assad as he is the president (and it is in their interests to do so). The US tends to arm terrorists and other interlopers as we saw in Ukraine and elsewhere. [/quote]

 :chuckle: Manny, you kid yourself - when it comes to Ukraine - we BOTH know who has supplied the heaviest arms across a border the the govt no longer controls....

Removing the incumbent, especially when you don't grasp the ramifications of so doing, will cause crap. Example is Libya, Ukraine and Iraq.

I think you'll find that in Ukraine, ensuring the elected leader  - not being elected -2004 - and not respecting what was clearly the wish of the over-whelming majority of the people - and even the Political party of the ex-President was FAR more of an issue.... 


There is a good case for Russia helping Assad, and stopping all Syria coming under control of ISIS.

The irony is - we sort of - agree - As ever, most competing groups unite to weaken a common challenger. Russia has a very large Islam population and must walk a tight rope


Are the western drones being used as one would herd a pack of sheep, towards Damascus?

Hardly, don't you look at maps to check ISIS 'gains or losses'  ?

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Re: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2015, 02:32:46 AM »
As you will know from reading the articles to which you linked. There is NO confirmation fro the US about Russian troops in Syria. Once again they are devolving their intelligence to social media.
it is beyond the realm of credibility that a deployment of Russian troops to Syria would be invisible to US intelligence oversight - zero chance.
That the US is making claims, once again, based upon social media tittle tattle tells us as well as can be that there is no Russian deployment.
There's no legal, economic or political justification for such a deployment - but the legal issue would be the most significant barrier. Such a deployment would be counter to the Russian constitution.

The reports do not make sense because of the type of plane reported - useless for the task that those same reports suggest Russia is carrying out.

As those who know something already know, Russia has been supplying Syria with weapons and technical support for ages already, there's a continuous flow of materiel going over. Chances that there are no Russian speaking advisors and technicians in Syria - zero!
Chances that there are no supporters who speak Russian - zero.

Likelihood of any Russian deployment of forces in the region - zero.
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Re: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2015, 04:48:17 PM »
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Today's lesson in how propaganda works: The rumour mill turns a trickle of a story early this week about “thousands” of Russian soldiers deploying to Syria any day – a wholly unsourced story originating on an Israeli website – into a torrent of hyperventilating about the “Russian invasion” of Syria.

Today neocon convicted felon Eliot Abrams took to the Council on Foreign Relations website to amplify the Israeli article (again with no sources or evidence) to a whole new and more dramatic article ominously titled “Putin in Syria.”

But in the category of never let a good “crisis” go to waste, the White House, which began bombing Syria last August in violation of both international and US law, has declared that any Russian involvement in the Syria crisis would be “destabilizing and counterproductive.”

Apparently a year of US bombs is not “destabilizing.”

This is where the hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a knife. The US is illegally bombing Syria, illegally violating Syrian sovereignty, illegally training and equipping foreign fighters to overthrow the Syrian government, and has backed radical jihadists through covert and overt programs.

ISIS and al-Qaeda in Syria were solely the products of the 2003 US invasion of Iraq under false pretenses – the lies of the neocons – and after a year of US bombing ISIS seems as strong as ever while scores of civilians are killed by US attacks.

All of this is perfectly fine and should never be questioned. But even the hint that the Russians, who have had to contend with their fair share of radical Islam and are much closer to Syria than the US, may have an interest in joining the fight against ISIS is met with hysterical reproaches by a White House that admits it has no evidence.

What is the White House afraid of? While the stated goal of the Obama Administration is to defeat ISIS, the real, long-term goal is to overthrow Assad. The Russians disagree with the US insistence that Assad's departure must be the starting point of any political settlement of the crisis. The Russians have long ago come to understand that Assad may be key to saving Syria from the kind of jihadist chaos that has engulfed Libya after its “liberation” by the US and its allies.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/white-house-warns-against-russian-military-action-against-isis/ri9527
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Re: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2015, 05:05:39 PM »
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Re: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2015, 05:25:25 PM »
Vladimir Putin confirms Russian military involvement in Syria's civil war

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11845635/Vladimir-Putin-confirms-Russian-military-involvement-in-Syrias-civil-war.html
trash newspaper, when you read the article he confirmed no such thing, he just says its possible if he and obama can agree on what todo.
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Re: Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2015, 08:56:36 PM »
Vladimir Putin confirms Russian military involvement in Syria's civil war

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11845635/Vladimir-Putin-confirms-Russian-military-involvement-in-Syrias-civil-war.html
trash newspaper, when you read the article he confirmed no such thing, he just says its possible if he and obama can agree on what todo.


I've met several Russian special forces guys in my lifetime and they all said the same thing:  their missions were secret and their government denied them; this is SOP.

If they can protect the lives of Syrian Christians and help destroy ISIS I would welcome their role.
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