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Re: Moby's Russophobia
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2016, 11:55:05 PM »


Now that's ripe man, you are claiming that everybody else but you are here making stuff up now.... WOW..

Gypo,
if I post something that is incorrect - as you know - I accept it, thank the poster and learn something.

When, I stand my ground - some of my vital ripostes get repeatedly deleted - making it LOOK like I 'accept' a posters 'bollox' or I'm accused of 'swerving' - and my response never makes sees the light of day. Very Soviet

I'm not 'crying' - It simply raises an ironic smile. I might get worked up when my response is in defence of 'bollox' written about SC - clue ' bint '


How many times have you been banned from here in the past?? :whistle:/QUOTE]

LOADS... but what does that does that 'prove'  ?

TBAH, If I was ever banned from a forum, I most certainly would not beg to be allowed to return, which is what you have done I suggest... :coffeeread:

'BEG'  ? You may be getting 'info from a reliable source'  ?  :coffeeread:

You missed a great party - this 'Russiophobe' was given a wonderful book of compilations of post cards from Sochi through the ages- signed by guests and friends who couldn't make it .

I mentioned I 'might not be allowed back' due to my being 'outed' and we had a good 'larf and raised a toast to the 'funny people you meet on the internet'

Now, you'll excuse me - I will wake up SC - a busy day ahead

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Re: Moby's Russophobia
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2016, 12:52:58 AM »
Moby, living in the United states, I was more or less brainwashed into believing Russia and it's government was evil. I have taken the time to read and learn much through Russian media sources how much the western media propaganda lied about.

Putin was elected to serve Russia, and Russian interests. There's a huge difference how Russia has to go about world affairs compared to the United states.  Before you criticize the Russian government for its involvement in other countries, you need to understand why they do what they do.
Keep in mind when the USSR, split millions of Russians remained living now outside the border. As president of Russian, Putin has the burden of also making sure that Russians living within those countries are not denied their human rights.

TC,

you have been 'brainwashed' ... many of the citizens of the USSR were sent as PUNISHMENT to the Baltic States and chose to remain there.

I have campaigned for the rights of former Soviet citizens to be given full citizenship of the nation where they were born of such  families.

Russia accepted the national frontiers in '91 - and if you were here you'd know that Russian people's attitude has hardened to the extent that, 'Ukraine is ours', is oft heard.

The Baltic States and w.Ukraine [ now 'all over Ukraine'] are full of 'fascists' - because they wanted rid of the Soviet Yolk and though fighting with Nazi Germany - my enemy's enemy is my friend - would make things better.  When you see articles on RU tv suggesting the breaking away of the Baltic States - from a nation that no longer exists - is being investigated by Moscow - don't you think it strange  ?

When there's a civil war and one nation flattens a city to crush it secession from a Republic it never agreed to being part of - banning discussion in the media of secession - yet encouraging it in neighbours - yeah, I question the duplicity - esp. when it screams blue murder about attacking cities where the 'rebels' fire out from - conveniently forgetting how it brutally oppressed 'insurrection'

My 'beef' with you is your signature- you are biased. You constantly post stuff by contributors in publications that are Kremlin mouthpieces - messengers just carry messages - they don't get 'shot' as they are assumed to be following orders....


I'd hope you'd question why my pointing such stuff out makes me a 'russiophobe' - I don't think you're questioning US policy is 'un-patriotic' - it is a right of freedom of speech in your nation - but I guess you are thinking I 'deserve it'  ?  :chuckle:
 


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Re: Moby's Russophobia
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2016, 01:47:44 AM »
if I post something that is incorrect - as you know - I accept it, thank the poster and learn something.

In which parallel universe did this ever happen?
please tell me where I'm being / have been 'dishonest'? 
Yes, he said that.........


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Re: Moby's Russophobia
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2016, 02:04:44 AM »
Moby, referring to the link I posted, the ruble is heading north, and most likely will continue to do so. As with stocks there will be an occasional drop, followed by recovery,and  or gain. Oil is slowly on the rise, and Russia has also invested to diversifying the economy.

The sanctions,and counter sanctions effects all involved. Farmers all through Europe took a hit much harder than teachers in Russia.  This I place blame on the United states,which has been virtually uneffected by the policies they  demand from others to abide by.
Sanctions will most likely continue for a few more months, but  I believe by the end of this year or at longest the beginning of 2017, sanctions will end, and the ruble will take a big leap.

TC,

1 /The rouble had weakened on the day the article was published - 5 percent against the GBP

2/ When oil was last at 50 usd / barrel the rouble was much stronger thanit is now

3/ Of course it will recover - if oil carries on up

4/ If an economy is as strong as the article you chose to post is so strong - why are teachers taking salary cuts - why has our neighbour working in admin for the Sports agency been made redundant - due to cut bucks

5/ The Russian 'counter sanctions' deliberately target a wide base - the western ones were targeted ..  The former were not designed to hurt man in the street... the latter were designed to try to split the EU..


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Re: Moby's Russophobia
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2016, 02:08:40 AM »

In which parallel universe did this ever happen?

recent examples

Gypo - corrected me about Maria Sharapova's  place of birth

Rosco - I'm sorry I can't recall - but I'm sure he can


Any chance you'd allow me to prove my point by allowing me to post the stuff not allowed - that proved I was right  ?  :laugh:

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Re: Moby's Russophobia
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2016, 07:40:39 AM »
Moby, living in the United states, I was more or less brainwashed into believing Russia and it's government was evil. I have taken the time to read and learn much through Russian media sources how much the western media propaganda lied about.

Putin was elected to serve Russia, and Russian interests. There's a huge difference how Russia has to go about world affairs compared to the United states.  Before you criticize the Russian government for its involvement in other countries, you need to understand why they do what they do.
Keep in mind when the USSR, split millions of Russians remained living now outside the border. As president of Russian, Putin has the burden of also making sure that Russians living within those countries are not denied their human rights.

TC,

you have been 'brainwashed' ... many of the citizens of the USSR were sent as PUNISHMENT to the Baltic States and chose to remain there.

I have campaigned for the rights of former Soviet citizens to be given full citizenship of the nation where they were born of such  families.

Russia accepted the national frontiers in '91 - and if you were here you'd know that Russian people's attitude has hardened to the extent that, 'Ukraine is ours', is oft heard.

The Baltic States and w.Ukraine [ now 'all over Ukraine'] are full of 'fascists' - because they wanted rid of the Soviet Yolk and though fighting with Nazi Germany - my enemy's enemy is my friend - would make things better.  When you see articles on RU tv suggesting the breaking away of the Baltic States - from a nation that no longer exists - is being investigated by Moscow - don't you think it strange  ?

When there's a civil war and one nation flattens a city to crush it secession from a Republic it never agreed to being part of - banning discussion in the media of secession - yet encouraging it in neighbours - yeah, I question the duplicity - esp. when it screams blue murder about attacking cities where the 'rebels' fire out from - conveniently forgetting how it brutally oppressed 'insurrection'

My 'beef' with you is your signature- you are biased. You constantly post stuff by contributors in publications that are Kremlin mouthpieces - messengers just carry messages - they don't get 'shot' as they are assumed to be following orders....


I'd hope you'd question why my pointing such stuff out makes me a 'russiophobe' - I don't think you're questioning US policy is 'un-patriotic' - it is a right of freedom of speech in your nation - but I guess you are thinking I 'deserve it'  ?  :chuckle:
 





Moby,
I wouldn't say I am biased, I post articles from all sources available.
Even if I totally disagreed with what I read. The problem I have with much of the western media is it's complete hog wash. Take the Ukraine crisis, hundreds of articles telling of an imminent invasion by Russia. Tens of thousands of troops all gathered on the border waiting to crush Ukraine.
It's been close to two years, and nothing happened.
How many articles about Russia is gonna attack the Baltics , Finland, ect.
All western propaganda I post, many of those articles as well, my reasoning for doing that? Maybe if people see the piles of printed crap, and as months, and years pass without any aggression from Russia, that light bulb might finally click on. :)

It's very sad that you Moby, who has vast experience in Russia, still can't see the light.

Don't shoot the messenger, links to articles posted, don't necessarily reflect my personal opinion.

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Re: Moby's Russophobia
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2016, 10:41:23 AM »
I'm imagine the banking sanctions are having more effect than restrictions on imports of cheese and baked beans.

However I'm not in the banking domain currently, in retail for this current piece of work.

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Re: Moby's Russophobia
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2016, 12:17:18 PM »
I'm imagine the banking sanctions are having more effect than restrictions on imports of cheese and baked beans.

However I'm not in the banking domain currently, in retail for this current piece of work.

Those sanctions will have been priced into currency and stock valuations instantly. The practical effects have been quite positive. The Central Bank made dollars available to those firms that needed them, assets (money) has been repatriated, already low levels of state external debt have been reduced and commercial external debt similarly reduced.

New finance has been continuously available using creative finance tools from the EU and more conventional finance available from Asia. Bond prices now seem to be at the same level as late 2013,  early 2014 showing that risk is now normalised.

Recession is now over and has been for about half a year.

Financial markets, due to the work of folks like you react very fast to price in new patterns and risk levels.
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Re: Moby's Russophobia
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2016, 01:34:20 PM »
I'm imagine the banking sanctions are having more effect than restrictions on imports of cheese and baked beans.

However I'm not in the banking domain currently, in retail for this current piece of work.

Absolutely correct.. tiphat

Not being able to take long term borrowings at the EU's low interest rates is the hardest hitting sanction, and its aimed directly at the populace of Russia...
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Re: Moby's Russophobia
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2016, 01:41:49 PM »
I'm imagine the banking sanctions are having more effect than restrictions on imports of cheese and baked beans.

However I'm not in the banking domain currently, in retail for this current piece of work.

Absolutely correct.. tiphat

Not being able to take long term borrowings at the EU's low interest rates is the hardest hitting sanction, and its aimed directly at the populace of Russia...

I'll ask one of our acquirers tomorrow about Russian sanctions (have to remember I think sanction means something else in banking, wish I could remember - I remeber stuff on the MQ going 'for sanction' - not sure it's the same), we've got loads of pretend debit and credit cards on the Collis Tool thing we have for test and dev., but no non-EU ones....

We've got Sodexo Asylum seeker cards though were they receive their £15/pd to live on. Plus the free £2m mansion of course!
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Re: Moby's Russophobia
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2016, 01:44:59 PM »
I'm imagine the banking sanctions are having more effect than restrictions on imports of cheese and baked beans.

However I'm not in the banking domain currently, in retail for this current piece of work.

Absolutely correct.. tiphat

Not being able to take long term borrowings at the EU's low interest rates is the hardest hitting sanction, and its aimed directly at the populace of Russia...

I'll ask one of our acquirers tomorrow about Russian sanctions (have to remember I think sanction means something else in banking, wish I could remember - I remeber stuff on the MQ going 'for sanction' - not sure it's the same), we've got loads of pretend debit and credit cards on the Collis Tool thing we have for test and dev., but no non-EU ones....

We've got Sodexo Asylum seeker cards though were they receive their £15/pd to live on. Plus the free £2m mansion of course!

Eh what??
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Re: Moby's Russophobia
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2016, 01:48:17 PM »
The "Action" in Sochi (as Moby puts it) yesterday..

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« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2016, 02:36:29 PM »
It is rare for people to borrow from outside their national markets and almost always ends in tears due to currency fluctuations.

If you refer to business borrowing,  Russia was unusual in that many firms headquartered themselves outside Russia for financial reasons. Many firms have been moving back - this was an outcome greatly desired my the RF government and sanctions served to incentivise the process to an even greater extent than the government had already done.

The sanctions against lending were for long term loans, not short term. All that happened was that European bankers made short term loans and the rolled them over at term. Where there's a will, there's a way. (and, yes, there are more administrative hoops to jump through)

Lending fell because  businesses were paying down loans (due to perceived issues with dollar liquidity) and because the economy was in recession.

I can't help but think that if bond prices have fallen to pre sanctions levels then the risk is likewise at that level. That suggests that lending is 'appropriate' to the market given that the bond price represents the degree of risk,  just as interest rates do.

For sure though,  any rational borrower wants two things: lower interest rates and easier lending rules. Very few businesses are ever going to say that the rates they pay are 'right' or that money is  adequately easy to obtain. The proof will be in what happens now the economy has moved out of recession and sentiment becomes more optimistic.  That's when we will see if banking sanctions REALLY have a negative effect.
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Re: Moby's Russophobia
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2016, 03:23:03 PM »
The "Action" in Sochi (as Moby puts it) yesterday..

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DUH, zero, zilch, nowt.

So you admit that it was a gigantic boondoggle and that other than enriching Putin's crony Oligarchs it was a colossal waste of money?  :ROFL:
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Re: Moby's Russophobia
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2016, 10:46:53 PM »
The "Action" in Sochi (as Moby puts it) yesterday..


DUH, zero, zilch, nowt.

Er, Gypo
 
You did know that the Russia-ASEAN conference is being held at the Olympic village, in Adler - 28km south of Sochi- and access was restricted  ? :chuckle:


http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/51953]]http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/51953

It was 24C , yesterday - v.sunny and our beach was packed - by mid afternoon -to the point where I heard two ladies complain to men who stood up too long - that they were blocking the sun.. :chuckle:

I took this one as I arrived - SC likes to go topless- so we always choose the part of beaches farthest away from access points - but a simple glance shows the beach isn't 'empty'..



Indeed, one of our forum members is on holiday in Sochi.. :coffeeread: