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wiring an electric plug in Russia
« on: July 20, 2015, 02:49:07 AM »
Bought some electric cable and fittings to mount some sockets in a more convenient place.

I was looking on the net - How to wire a type F plug - and got lots of hits on how to wire an f-connector for satellite systems  :chuckle:

Am I correct in assuming that wiring the blue/ brown - neutral / live is not as important as in the UK - as it seems that the type C or F plugs can be inserted either way...

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Re: wiring an eleectric plug in Russia
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2015, 03:00:42 AM »
It depends on the appliance, but generally speaking it is less important. For good practice if wiring sockets, I would put live so it feeds the right hand pin socket is live as you look at the front of the socket.
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Re: wiring an eleectric plug in Russia
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2015, 03:07:54 AM »
It depends on the appliance, but generally speaking it is less important. For good practice if wiring sockets, I would put live so it feeds the right hand pin socket is live as you look at the front of the socket.

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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2015, 03:15:37 AM »
Hi Mark,

You are right the blue/brown side does not matter at all. It is only preference of the person making it and/or room inside the socket for whats convenient.

Coloring can be as following inside walls:

Blue -> Return wire
Brown -> Live wire.
Black -> Live wire, after switches. (Brown is only meant for direct from provider live wire, without having met any switches)

Green/Yellow -> Earth fault protector wire, usually only attached in 'wet' rooms like bathroom, toilet, outside, etc.

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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2015, 03:16:34 AM »
Let's hear it for the good old British three-pronger, solid, earthed and fused.......

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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2015, 03:21:00 AM »
Let's hear it for the good old British three-pronger, solid, earthed and fused.......


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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2015, 03:22:45 AM »
Hi all, still alive...

I wired plug end as suggested and the light comes on on the extension end - BUT... the light does not go off ...does not matter which way it is switched  ???





I connected the brown / blue cables to the place where the existing blue / brown were located


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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2015, 03:24:38 AM »
Have you tried sticking your fingers in the socket to see if it's live?


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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2015, 03:26:33 AM »
Have you tried sticking your fingers in the socket to see if it's live?





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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2015, 03:28:01 AM »
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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2015, 03:38:31 AM »
So reversed the plug wiring and ......no difference - the socket cannot be turned off  ???



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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2015, 03:44:00 AM »
update

took apart another switched extension lead

duh... need to solder the feeds to the switch ..


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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2015, 04:41:55 AM »
update

took apart another switched extension lead

duh... need to solder the feeds to the switch ..


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Thanks for all your help - will buy a solder gun and some solder, this evening...

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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2015, 04:44:55 AM »
Sorry, Aka Luke..don't understand...

I am wiring up a 10m 3 core cable to a plug one end and a 3 way switched gang t'other... it WORKs...just need to solder the feeds to the switch as it seems I am by passing them !)

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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2015, 04:48:46 AM »
Sorry, Aka Luke..don't understand...

I am wiring up a 10m 3 core cable to a plug one end and a 3 way switched gang t'other... it WORKs...just need to solder the feeds to the switch as it seems I am by passing them !)

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I thought you had a 10m extension lead and wanted to re terminate the plug once you fed the cable through the hole. But you're making each end off yourself yes,

It sounds like you have the Line & Neutral switched around with the light issue but I could be wrong.

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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2015, 04:51:15 AM »
You have my aum right...but the it seems that here it matters not which way the L / N are wired..( the plug can be plugged in either way)....the issue is just I by passed the switch

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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2015, 05:00:57 AM »
You have my aum right...but the it seems that here it matters not which way the L / N are wired..( the plug can be plugged in either way)....the issue is just I by passed the switch

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It will operate wired eitherway but I'm sure there is a set way it should be wired. I'm assuming this is the same as a schuco plug used in Europe? Some appliances are polarity sensitive and the earth pin you see IN SOME schuco sockets is what determines the way you plug it in and therefore the polarity. If you've wired it up willy nilly then it's a 50/50. It's rare to find a polarity sensitive appliance but just be aware of that.

Always connect the earth pin, it's there for a reason and will rupture the circuit much quicker under earth fault condition.

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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2015, 05:03:37 AM »
It is an F type electric plug and the earth cable IS attached and the earth strip on the 3 way gangs and sockets are present top and bottom, to allow the plug to be inserted either way.

C-type electric plugs...without an earth prong .... also work either way

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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2015, 05:24:57 AM »
Have you tried sticking your fingers in the socket to see if it's live?


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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2015, 05:25:15 AM »
It is an F type electric plug and the earth cable IS attached and the earth strip on the 3 way gangs and sockets are present top and bottom, to allow the plug to be inserted either way.

C-type electric plugs...without an earth prong .... also work either way

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Too many plug types too much confusion.

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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2015, 05:27:30 AM »
))  I posted the plug in my first post...

The socket you've posted is NOT what we have here...two yr old construction.... with cat 5e network points !!!

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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2015, 09:27:56 AM »
Always connect the earth pin, it's there for a reason and will rupture the circuit much quicker under earth fault condition.

What Luke said.

Abroad they seem less fussy about earths, but always connect them if available. And if bare, make sure they are sheathed.

The Y003 like Luke posted, polarity does matter. With most euro sockets it doesn't though.

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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2015, 11:13:42 AM »
1/ used three core wire - and connected earth  :thumbsup:

2/ clearly polarity IS irrelevant - as type C and F PLUGS work either way   ??? I have followed Manny's and Luke's advice - just in case .. I CANNOT see how I can stop folk inserting the plug, anyway they feel  :-X
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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2015, 03:14:30 PM »
Abroad they seem less fussy about earths, but always connect them if available. And if bare, make sure they are sheathed.
In NL, it has been mandatory to make all sockets with earth-connection, since 1997. Before it was only the wet-rooms like I described earlier.

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Re: wiring an electric plug in Russia
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2015, 11:22:28 PM »
))  I posted the plug in my first post...

The socket you've posted is NOT what we have here...two yr old construction.... with cat 5e network points !!!

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Ok, so what you have there is a legrand styled outlet which if it has been installed correctly has an earth to it (now who knows if that has been tested by doing an earth loop reading?) but hopefully its connected there some how, either way you put the plug in it should be earthed and just the poles reversed not much of a problem

The plug type you are showing here is a class 2 insulated plug and should only be attached to a class 2 insulated item thus not needing an earth.
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