President Trump

[2tallbill]

You're not thinking and not reading, so let me help you this one time with the google:

1. They don't waste the meat you were wrong.
Then why do the locals not eat it. (Because its too expensive)
Then why do the predators not eat it. (Because it is spoiled by the hunt)
Then why do the Rich not eat it (because they are left in unhospitable places).

Mark.
PS: I wont respond again on this, as you still won't read.

I actually did read what you wrote and the few links that you posted
I read this link that you posted and I also clicked on several of the
various related subjects as well.
https://www.worldwildlife.org/species/african-elephant

I also read this link which you posted
https://www.worldwildlife.org/species

And I continued and clicked on the elephant link here
https://www.worldwildlife.org/species/elephant

I clicked on several of the tabs and buttons so that I could read about it.
Some of them went to the same pages are your first link. I could only know
this by following your links.

I also read the Atlantic piece, here is a quote from it
"The Fish and Wildlife Service has not changed the elephants’ status;
instead, it now argues that supporting “legal, well-managed hunting
programs” will help provide “much-needed conservation dollars to
preserve habitats and protect wild herds” in Zimbabwe and Zambia,
the agency’s principal deputy director, Greg Sheehan, said in a news
release."


The Atlantic article went so far as to make the case that Animals
should have legal human rights based on their cognitive abilities
and mentioned that some judge in New Zealand gave human
rights to a river. 

So, I have been reading what you've posted and none of those links
disagree with what I've been posting and none of them say anything
that disputes my points about you being wrong.

None of them say that the hunters waste the meat and let it rot. Yet
I have posted several links that say that the meat isn't wasted.

Hunters and the locals eat the meat. It's not too expensive for the locals
to eat because it's FREE

QUOTE
"In Africa, it’s part of the hunting laws that you have to give a LARGE portion of the meat to the local communities and villages. Trophy hunting is all about eating the meat."
Source
https://medium.com/@collincottrell/3-common-misconceptions-of-trophy-hunting-b63f64ec763a

QUOTE:
"Every inch of the animal is utilized. The skin and horns go to the trophy hunter, and the meat is used to feed local communities as well as sold commercially."
Marina Lamprecht
Source
http://www.huntersnamibia.com/ignorant-of-the-realities-of-trophy-hunting/


Don't take my word for it. Feel free to contact Marina yourself.
marina@huntersnamibia.com

[2tallbill]

ncorhynchus tshawytscha the California Chinook salmon is inedible?! (No, they are not on the list).
Sockeye salmon of the Snake river? Cutthroat trout of British Columbia?!!??! (No, they are also not on the list).

Please tell me again how wrong i am, when all you need to do is read that list. You can even search it as its in plain-text format.

Mark.
PS: I wont respond again on this, as you still won't read.

Here is the list that I took those names from. I didn't make them up
the Endangered Listings. As if I would know the genus/species of a
fish.

http://www.stateofthesalmon.org/resources/endangered_listings/

[2tallbill]

I didn’t but it might be worth a look. It’s not exactly surprising when money talks in the developing world and I do understand where Bill is coming from.

Sadly I just don’t believe these countries do what they say they do.

Oh, I agree with you there. I do think that they have some of the most
corrupt and crooked officials and charlatans in Africa game management.
My argument is that some game management is better than none. If they
have none, in my opinion many wild animals would cease to exist outside
of zoos.
 

[AvHdB]

Killing for fun is wrong, end of story. Sport as well, though this isn't sport, the elephant doesn't have a massive gun..

Bullfighting? Controls the bull population?

As an animal lover I agree.

The thrust of the discussion is conservation though. In Scotland, we have a massive overpopulation of deer and the forest commission sells stalking days to those who want to hunt.

The money goes back into the forestry commission & the wild life trust, the deer population is kept under control and they don’t destroy areas of countryside which would then have a negative knock on effect for the rest of the countryside & its wildlife. The same goes for our rivers.

I fully support this and without re-introducing natural predators for the deer (which is often debated) it must be done. Stalking is carried out ethically, much needed funding goes back into conservation and the industry pumps many millions into the Scottish retail & hospitality industries. Driven shoots however are a bit more contentious.

So I agree with Bill but I disagree that the same ethics and moral code is played out in Africa.

I agree with both Rosco and Ste. As in Scotland deer in the North East of the States are a major plague. In parts of suburbia they are frequent grazers of garden plants. Okay so what if some bored woman looses a few shrubs? But there is no food for them in a hard winter and they starve. Yet these same residents frequently bemoan the shooting for food and sport of these animals. And than they scream blue about Lyme disease being spread by deer. Please give me a break. Deer are not an endangered species.

The ethics of shooting an elephant or wild cat in Africa or Asia are different, both are seeing diminishing habitat and hunting for ego.

[Markje]

ncorhynchus tshawytscha the California Chinook salmon is inedible?! (No, they are not on the list).
Sockeye salmon of the Snake river? Cutthroat trout of British Columbia?!!??! (No, they are also not on the list).

Please tell me again how wrong i am, when all you need to do is read that list. You can even search it as its in plain-text format.

Mark.
PS: I wont respond again on this, as you still won't read.

Here is the list that I took those names from. I didn't make them up
the Endangered Listings. As if I would know the genus/species of a
fish.

http://www.stateofthesalmon.org/resources/endangered_listings/

But if you look them up. They are not on the list. Neither common nor species/genus names

[Ste]

Changes nothing - killong for fun/sport/war/retribution/revenge is is wrong, Neanderthal thinking. Human race has moved on but some still living like hunter/killers when there no need anymore for 90% of us.

[yankee]

I used to be a very skilled (and successful) spear fisherman.  Do you guys dislike this also?

[Lord of the Dance]

I used to be a very skilled (and successful) spear fisherman.  Do you guys dislike this also?

I take it to eat?

I will occasionally shoot skeet but I have no interest in killing animals. Funny thing is, I don't mind eating them after someone else has killed them. This business of consuming no animal products is bologna (IMO). 

[yankee]

I used to be a very skilled (and successful) spear fisherman.  Do you guys dislike this also?

I take it to eat?

I will occasionally shoot skeet but I have no interest in killing animals. Funny thing is, I don't mind eating them after someone else has killed them. This business of consuming no animal products is bologna (IMO).

I (we) ate everything I harvested.

[rosco]

Changes nothing - killong for fun/sport/war/retribution/revenge is is wrong, Neanderthal thinking. Human race has moved on but some still living like hunter/killers when there no need anymore for 90% of us.

Conservation as in Scottish deer, still changes nothing?

You do know that if they don’t sell stalking with guides, the government culls them yea - by stalking them? This is when the hunter sneaks up on the deer undetected, looking into the wind, selects the right deer to cull then only shoots through the heart when the animal is oblivious.

Stalkers can walk through the mountains for hours before they get the correct conditions and can only shoot if they’re experienced. Its a hard hard stalk through breathtaking scenery for a 1 shot kill. Then it’s back to the estate house for a warm fire, dram & venison dinner.

It’s been suggested we reintroduce bears, wolves and particularly lynx who were the original roe dear predator before we killed them all. Farmers are against it due to obvious reasons but it would balance things out.

Not sure what your answer is going to be but leaving the deer to breed, destroy the countryside, wipe out other species then starve to death isn’t correct?

Are humans a race?

[Contrarian]

Changes nothing - killong for fun/sport/war/retribution/revenge is is wrong, Neanderthal thinking. Human race has moved on but some still living like hunter/killers when there no need anymore for 90% of us.

So you’re against killing the animal Homo sapiens when said animal wants to kill or destroy you and your kin?

(Rhetorical—don’t bother answering we already know your answer)

[2tallbill]

Democrat Saint and Divine untouchable John Conyers is in trouble again.
Seems he can't stop harassing the women on his staff. He also flies women
to him for sex at tax payer expense. Seems pretty standard for a politician,
they work so hard for the American people (138 days last year) shouldn't
they get girls flown in for a little relaxation paid with our tax dollars?



Another Woman Accused Rep. John Conyers Of Sexual Harassment In
Court Filings This Year

https://www.buzzfeed.com/paulmcleod/another-woman-accused-rep-john-conyers-of-sexual-harassment?utm_term=.mrO1o4J2Zz#.qo8nLw2B8D


Al Franken, John Conyers, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Clinton, Louis C.K.,
Kevin Spacey, Dustin Hoffman, Jeffrey Tambor and Charley Rose all
democrats lefties and the only thing that the media can talk about is
Roy Moore? 

They are world class hypocrites. These people who attend anti-gun rallies
with armed bodyguards. These are the people who are pointing fingers to
man made global warming from the satin sheets in Master bedroom of their
private jets.


ANOTHER Woman says Franken inappropriately touched her in 2010
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.html

[2tallbill]

I consider myself decent looking for my age. But if I was this guy
I wouldn't be sending naked photos of myself around to women
that I wasn't married to. He is Republican. There are no angels
in politics, they are all bad.

The GOP are hated more than the aids virus. Dems would do anything
to make them look bad. So this nit wit sends out nudie photos to
various women (or men) and doesn't even know who posted it
publicly? That would imply that he sent out so many that he
doesn't know who posted it. More likely he sent it to his jilted
boy-toy and it wouldn't help his campaign if that was made public.

He is divorced, maybe he will come up with a tinder ap story
where he got carried away? 



https://www.texastribune.org/2017/11/22/us-rep-joe-barton-deciding-how-respond-after-graphic-photo-circulates-/

[shakespear]

This thing is morphing into the Salem Witch trials. 

Just say the name of somebody else and point at them and the crowd wants to hang them or burn them at the stake. 

[yankee]

This thing is morphing into the Salem Witch trials. 

Just say the name of somebody else and point at them and the crowd wants to hang them or burn them at the stake.

I actually think it is closer to McCarthyism.  Destroying as many careers as possible.

[Tom Cat]

This thing is morphing into the Salem Witch trials. 

Just say the name of somebody else and point at them and the crowd wants to hang them or burn them at the stake.

I actually think it is closer to McCarthyism.  Destroying as many careers as possible.

The key word here is career as in career politicians. This is just another reason for term limits. To many people in politics start thinking they are above the law, and become self serving. j

[dcguyusa]

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/niallmccarthy/files/2017/11/20171121_Trophy_Hunting.jpg

[B.B.]

I consider myself decent looking for my age. But if I was this guy
I wouldn't be sending naked photos of myself around to women
that I wasn't married to. He is Republican. There are no angels
in politics, they are all bad.

The GOP are hated more than the aids virus. Dems would do anything
to make them look bad. So this nit wit sends out nudie photos to
various women (or men) and doesn't even know who posted it
publicly? 

While I have no real sympathy for him - what he did was the world's most dangerous indoor sport - the difference between him and Franken, Moore, Rose, etc., is that he's the victim of a crime under the Texas' "revenge porn" statute.

I've had girls send me nudes, etc., unasked for (but appreciated, of course) and I would NEVER, EVER, EVER publicly disclose them, even if I wound up hating the girl for some reason.  Totally uncool to do that to another human being. 

B/B

[Tom Cat]

Gives the impression Hillary had nothing to offer other than more of the same failed Obama agenda.
At least Hillary has no shortage of excuses for losing.

Hillary Clinton: Obama's record made it hard to run on 'agenda of change'

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/22/hillary-clinton-obamas-record-made-it-hard-to-run-on-agenda-change.html

[B.B.]

Gives the impression Hillary had nothing to offer other than more of the same failed Obama agenda.
At least Hillary has no shortage of excuses for losing.

Hillary Clinton: Obama's record made it hard to run on 'agenda of change'

It's like we've been trapped in therapy with her for a year, having to listen to the same crap over and over.  It just never ends.

B/B

[Wiz]

Confederate, be careful, because with your post below you started derailing the Thanks giving post!

So I will answer to you her!

who has brought respect back to the US overseas.

I wouldn't say that at all.

However, happy Thanksgiving to all RUA pals over the pond. 

Thank you for the Thanksgiving wishes.

In regards your first statement take a look. Look at the second photo in particular where China put out the red carpet for President Trump and First Lady Melania. 

The President of China and his wife and entourage also put on a special dinner and Opera show for President Trump inside the Forbidden City. That has not been done for a foreign dignitary in decades.

The last time Obama visited China? No red carpet and not even a ladder. A deliberate insult to Obama.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/slideshow/2017/11/08/photos-president-trump-in-china.html#/slide/president-donald-trump-and-first-lady-melania-trump-tour-the-forbidden-city-in-beijing--china--november-8--2017

Versus:

Obama being deliberately snubbed by the Chinese at the G20.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/04/barack-obama-deliberately-snubbed-by-chinese-in-chaotic-arrival-at-g20

Yes the China leaders know how to play with Mafia and its President ......

Are you aware what China is doing in the Shanghai Financial centre?

Do you know that they are selling "Derivative products" denominated in Yuan and can be exchanged  for Gold, without the use of the US$ ?

Are you aware that they have been off loading the Dollars they hold, slowly to avoid affecting the price of their currency?

Do you know what that mean for the US?

On the other hand have you noticed the change of tone in your presidents statements, regarding North Korea?

I suggest you read the alternative media sites to learn something about your country.

Sorry my friend but USA now it's not the only superpower........and very soon you will realise that  you are going down the pan.

All empires at the end go down, according to history and now it's your turn!

 

[2tallbill]

It's like we've been trapped in therapy with her for a year, having to listen to the same crap over and over.  It just never ends.

B/B

Can you imagine Romney saying that he screamed into a pillow?
Can you imagine John McCain saying that he carries a sense of
both victimhood and guilt? Both of them like her were mediocre
candidates and they all ran terrible campaigns.

But the Dems can't seem to get enough of her. They should just
trot her out every 4 years to run again and again.


Here’s your leftover turkey: The case for Hillary Clinton 2020

What better way to honor the holiday than with a spiteful argument for yet another Clinton candidacy?

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/24/heres-your-leftover-turkey-the-case-for-hillary-clinton-2020/

[Markje]

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/24/heres-your-leftover-turkey-the-case-for-hillary-clinton-2020/

Wow, that site is desperate, I read the first 2 of their 4 points why you would want clinton to run again in 2020.

And both of them make excellent cases why she should NEVER be a candidate ever again!

Can't wait to read the other 2.

[Texan77]

The last time Obama visited China? No red carpet and not even a ladder. A deliberate insult to Obama.

Do you know that they are selling "Derivative products" denominated in Yuan and can be exchanged  for Gold, without the use of the US$ ?

Are you aware that they have been off loading the Dollars they hold, slowly to avoid affecting the price of their currency?

Do you know what that mean for the US?


 

Yes the dollar will go down in value and most of the world will not be able to buy as many Chinese products if what you were saying was right. China never bought our dollars to help us but rather to raise the value of our dollar so they could sell us stuff and create a negative balance of trade for the US. Their buying our dollars was something they did to help ruin us. Now they can not keep the value of their currency up so the are selling dollars to prop up their currency. All of this means nothing for the US pro or against. Just a bunch of writers trying to sell  fear to dumb people so they can get rich.

In the end the Chinese will do everyone in they possibly can. That includes the USA, Western Europe and Russia.  Wake up! As another poster put it. China does not have friends.

[Texan77]

Israel is a nuclear country and could be the start of the next nuclear war. Saudi Arabia and Israel are in talks as Iran want to force the middle east to be under it's control and have to use it's form of Islam. Since Russia has weight in as being pro Shite and the US as pro Sunni there might not be much left when the dust seddles. 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-israel-will-be-eradicated-in-next-war/ar-BBFANTJ?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=U218DHP