The Western Propaganda Thread

[el_guero]

Articles like this is why I turn to other media sources for a more realistic view.
Obama spied on Putin, not Trump

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/351906-obama-spied-on-putin-not-trump

Thanks TC,

This is an interesting article that brings in a broad sense the reality of relations between Russia and the United States.

If the leaders were to attempt to build bridges between there own populations and ours there would be a greater sense of disgust at the almost constant attempts at division that the 'leaders' attempt to foist on the populations.

The enemies of Russia and the United States are there own leaders.

True, but the author was SO Liberal he made 3 major mistakes:

Obama did spy on Trump - Obama spied on the ENTIRE world, that was why Snowden went K-AWOL.
Putin did NOT elect Trump - voters did. Especially women.
The Liberal Press IS the enemy of 'We the People' - Their propaganda machine would have impressed Goebbels AND Stalin.

[Tom Cat]

A good example of western propaganda!

The west must defend its values against Putin’s Russia

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/30/west-must-defend-its-values-against-putins-russia

[Markje]

A good example of western propaganda!

The west must defend its values against Putin’s Russia

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/30/west-must-defend-its-values-against-putins-russia

I wish they were that active against a completely foreign culture... Arabians, their faith, their law and their pushy ways.

[Texan77]

A good example of western propaganda!

The west must defend its values against Putin’s Russia

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/30/west-must-defend-its-values-against-putins-russia

It looks good to me. Putin will win the election because it is rigged. No one can run against him because they will not survive if they poll more than 1 per cent of the popular vote. It has been known for many years if Putin wanted to run in 2018 he would win. The Putin news network keep him popular as dissenting papers seem to have trouble with reporters dying and fires.

[Texan77]

Do you remember Russian oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky? He was put in jail in 2004 because he was the riches of all the oligarchs. Putin did this to gain complete control of the country. After that the other oligarchs came to Putin and asked him how they could get along and not go to jail. He said you need to give half of you holding. Not the to country but Putin personally. This is how he became worth 500 billion dollars. Now all the Oligarchs have a very big stake to keep him in power. Because he own half he has every reason to protect there businesses. A new president might not see it that way.

There is huge money in the most elaborate news network in the world to keep Putin in power and promote Russia's rise to a world power at the expense of the USA.

[Tom Cat]

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/29/moldova-secessionists-increasing-just-as-in-crimea/

[Tom Cat]

State Department warns of possible chlorine gas disaster in Ukraine

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/state-department-warns-of-possible-chlorine-gas-disaster-in-ukraine/article/2639922

[Tom Cat]

Russian-Appointed Judges In Occupied Crimea Convict Ukrainian As 'Saboteur'

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-crimea-conviction-saboteur-occupation-russia/28857819.html

[Tom Cat]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/putins-proposal-for-ukraine-is-another-trap-for-trump/2017/11/26/2b238622-cfc3-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html?utm_term=.ce8a023ca6d9

[Tom Cat]

Couldn't even finish this piece of

Spending 10 days inside Putin's Russia

http://abcnews.go.com/International/spending-10-days-inside-putins-russia/story?id=51892859

[Contrarian]

Couldn't even finish this piece of

Spending 10 days inside Putin's Russia

http://abcnews.go.com/International/spending-10-days-inside-putins-russia/story?id=51892859

I thought it was a pretty good article. It’s hard to ignore that the AIDS crisis is worse in Russia due to a lack of education and resources.

Marina said the Russian government has damaged efforts to address this crisis, rejecting needle exchanges and free condoms as "Western practices." Just recently, Russia finally started running a large-scale anti-AIDS campaign, but it focuses on prevention through monogamy. Meanwhile, she said, people continue to die.

[Tom Cat]

Couldn't even finish this piece of

Spending 10 days inside Putin's Russia

http://abcnews.go.com/International/spending-10-days-inside-putins-russia/story?id=51892859

I thought it was a pretty good article. It’s hard to ignore that the AIDS crisis is worse in Russia due to a lack of education and resources.

Marina said the Russian government has damaged efforts to address this crisis, rejecting needle exchanges and free condoms as "Western practices." Just recently, Russia finally started running a large-scale anti-AIDS campaign, but it focuses on prevention through monogamy. Meanwhile, she said, people continue to die.

Pretty good???  You have 6 so called journalists spend 10 days in Russia and wrote nothing that has not been covered already many times over.
Western media bias, is an understatement, as there was nothing very positive said about Putin or Russia.

Just curious to know how much time you have spent in Russia?

[msmoby]

Western media bias, is an understatement, as there was nothing very positive said about Putin or Russia.

Just curious to know how much time you have spent in Russia?

Clearly, you also don't spend enough time in Russia - same question to you ....  do you actually know any Doctors / Dentists / Nurses that work in the private / public sector in Russia ?

[rosco]

Another unhelpful article from one of the usual suspects, headline -"Russia could kill 'thousands' in UK power station attack, warns Defence Secretary".

https://news.sky.com/story/russia-could-kill-thousands-in-uk-power-station-attack-warns-defence-secretary-11222844

Like the BBC and a few other news stations famous for spreading propaganda, Sky have decided to inform us that Russia wants to attack/destroy/kill the UK and that they are our enemy. Sky beats this rather boring drum continuously and I often wonder;

1) What is the real agenda here? Selling news? Bidding for the MOD and Gov weapons contractors? Political propaganda? Humour?

and

2) Are there actually people out there who believe this shite? Sadly I can answer that one for myself and when I read things like and I quote "Russia's Vladimir Putin could launch a missile attack, it was said", I know there are idiots out there believing Russia are minutes away from an unprovoked attack.

I did laugh at the Russian defence ministers response to this pile of steaming horse shit of an example of journalism, which is in itself an insult to steaming horse shit;

Russia's defence minister responded by saying the comments showed he "has lost his understanding of what is reasonable".

Ministry spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov claimed they were worthy of comedy sketch show Monty Python.

He added the remarks merited a medical checkup for Mr Williamson.

The Ministry of Defence declined to comment on Russia's reaction.

This is western propaganda and it needs calling out by every sane, sensible person under the sun. We've come to accept these bottom feeding journalists and their vile news outlets. Something needs to change before they actually get us all killed. 

[Markje]

In more news:

Apparently ,the Dutchies secret service (AIVD) have apparently been spying on the Russian hackers group Cozy bear for a few years now.

And they apparently watched the 'russian collusion' unfold from a very close perspective.

(According to Dutch Main stream media).

Riiight.

1) IF it were true, they sure as hell wouldn't have leaked it to the press.

2) No need, 1 is proof enough that it is fake news.

[Texan77]

Putin. What is really happening here? Article says his popularity is dropping.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-kremlin-is-quaking-as-new-sanctions-multiply/ar-BBLJZvk?ocid=U218DHP

[Wiz]

Putin. What is really happening here? Article says his popularity is dropping.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-kremlin-is-quaking-as-new-sanctions-multiply/ar-BBLJZvk?ocid=U218DHP

Oh Dear Texan, obviously you have a problem understanding what is been written in the article, which basically is just blatant propaganda to cover up the economical (terrorist) war organised by the USA to destroy the Russian economy.

Russian papers, talk shows, and officials already were obsessing over the “Defending American Security from Kremlin Aggression Act” proposed in the U.S. Senate by Republicans as well as Democrats. So who is the aggressor Russia or the USA?

Aiming to punish Russia for alleged meddling in U.S. elections and deter it in the future, No evidence provided,

the bill promised to ban major Russian banks, freeze operations by Russian gas and oil companies, shut down Russian botnets, and investigate President Vladimir Putin’s personal wealth, among other measures. The only thing that the USA has not done is to invade Russia with Guns and Army...... because they can't as they know the Russian army and airforce will Fcuk the USA  everywhere they come face to face.

The ruble plunged: Because of the rumors and the speculators  it is now 66.5 to the dollar, the worst rate since 2016. Fear of massive new sanctions caused Aeroflot shares to drop by 11.4 percent and other stocks to take a nosedive, although by Thursday evening the market recovered its losses
HA HA HA remember my comments to Seasoned on the other thread ?.

That is going on in your country and I am afraid the US public believe all these crap and daily are programmed by your MSM and accept them as REAL NEWS and can't think any further from their nose!

In an interview with The Daily Beast, Yevgeny Gantmakher, one of Russia’s leading economists, said there is a certain predictability about the Russian president’s reaction: “Over the last 18 years we have learned one thing about Putin: he does not bend under pressure.”

Wait and see who is going to have the last laugh and do learn to read more carefully and understand what is been written.!

If Russian banks stop dealing with $ Dollars, because of your sanctions, you can easily understand which way the world reserve currency will go! As about the Europeans be sure they will still buy gas from Russia because it's much cheaper, to protect their industries, its people and the markets......will not protect the Dollar.

They like making money! 

 

PS: Wait and see with what comments our friend Moby will come out .... when his companion goes to sleep.

[cufflinks]

Jim Willie makes the case that the UK Fascist Govt and compliant pacified, and subordinated people hate the USA Patriots now more than during the Colonial Revolution - who knew the UK Govt and People hated US more than they Hate the Irish Catholics and IRA.  Of course with the Tidal Wave of infidel murdering Radical Islamists ISIS and Hamas sympaticos the UK welcome with open arms and government purses they are a self-loathing and self-hating bunch as well - sort of a UK version of the USA Radical Feminazi NeoMarxist Socialist militant leftists:

TREASON AS POLITICAL OPPOSITION

The Russian Dossier is the great big smoking gun. It reveals the sedition by sitting President Barack Obama, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, and CIA Director John Brennan, with the aid of the British Govt security agency. By all indications, given by data and testimony, the entire collusion argument between Donald Trump and the Russian Govt was fabricated as a political ploy to interfere with the duly elected US President. To present fabricated evidence of treason is in itself a treasonous act. They will all unfold in the coming weeks. The game is coming to a head as the FISA documents will be released in full view, against fierce opposition. A shock wave could befall the US nation, as it realizes the depth of traitorous deeds using USGovt offices. The failed tactic is to claim national security at risk, when the true reason is to conceal open treason. The FISA document release will shed light on perhaps the biggest domestic espionage and treason case in the last 50 years, within the United States. “Britain, in particular, is very concerned that the unredacted 20 pages from the June 2017 FISA application will show that it, rather than Russia, actually colluded with a Presidential campaign to affect the outcome of the 2016 election. But rather than Russia colluding with the Trump campaign, the real collusion was between Britain and the Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign.” This is explosive evidence, with understood resistance by the CIA and MI-6. See Exopolitics (HERE).

https://www.exopolitics.org/trump-confirms-q-claims-of-uk-deep-state-panic-over-fisa-declassification/

A festering open fascist wound is visible, which has been spread on the news on a repeated basis ad nauseum for many months. Its continued exposure on the news is an exhibit for collusion on the fabricated story. The actual treasonous acts kept well out of the news have been the Hillary Clinton collusion with the Russians on uranium sales, the passage of SAP high security data to the Chinese, kickbacks to the foundation, and murders to conceal the activity.

This actually makes Wiz and his Tin Foil Hat farm look positively rational and reasonable by comparison and explains why Afi is such a vicious old America Hating curmudgeon.

[Wiz]

This actually makes Wiz and his Tin Foil Hat farm look positively rational and reasonable by comparison and explains why Afi is such a vicious old America Hating curmudgeon.

Well done Cuffinks, Finally the penny dropped.....!

REM: I don't hate the simple American people but your corrupt Governments who have been subordinated and controlled by the supremacist Zionists Banksters over the years who brought so much criminality and killings around the world.

 

 

[andrewfi]

I can't speak for anyone else who is not a USAian but I do not and never have 'hated' the USA. It is rather simple minded to think in such terms.

For the better informed among us, nothing in your long copy/paste was new. Nelson is well and truly dead. But yes, unless comprehensively suppressed it is likely to create some ripples In the pond of USA politics and diplomatic relations.

[cufflinks]

Max Keiser on RT the new Century of Global Mercantilism (A Good Thing) VS GLOBALIST Fascism:

Elemental Circuit Board's with Red Communist Phreaking China's Supermicro Industrial Espionage (SPY) Malicious (Backdoor) Chips that have been deployed in the CIA, DoD, many US Govt agencies, even new ships at Sea...

Major Broadside to be launched Government-wide against the Communist Red Phreaking Chinese... Ooops looks like time to sell my FXI Feb 15 2019 $48 Calls in the short term swing High and Hedge with some lower swing low target FXI Puts...  FXI Being the Super DOW of China ETF is a diversified China Proxy based upon the future of Major Real (VS Ghost) Chinese companies.

China about to get a serious Corrective Economic Interview now that they pissed off the Academy 4 Star Patriots...

[2tallbill]

[Texan77]

More Russians being charged.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/russian-charged-with-conspiring-to-interfere-in-us-congressional-elections/ar-BBOCaDb?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=SK216DHP

[Wiz]

More Russians being charged.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/russian-charged-with-conspiring-to-interfere-in-us-congressional-elections/ar-BBOCaDb?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=SK216DHP

 

[andrewfi]

Nothing new here. This is just the same silliness from a few months ago where the Mueller team opened a case against two Russian businesses (Concord Catering and one other that I don't recall) fully expecting to gain the propaganda points from cases opened but never prosecuted. One of the two businesses went to court and showed up the Mueller team as not having the evidence they claimed. This is just another use of the same gambit, except that by going after an individual they can be more sure that the case wil never go to court as the accused will not be foolish enough to present herself. This is what team Mueller should've done months ago (not saying I agree with it, just from a strategy perspective).

But the whole case is silliness, it is just buying eyeballs to get clicks on ads and visits to pages. Internet businesses the world over do this stuff all the time. Some f you may have heard the term 'clickbait' that's what was going on. Writing provocative headlines to get Americans accustomed to gaining their knowledge from silly memes so that they'd end up clicking on some ad that pandered to their foibles. From what we have seen the campaigns were not even very big.