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The Western Propaganda Thread
« on: February 14, 2015, 04:51:48 PM »
Visiting one of the other forums that can't be named and saw this post from Youtube. The program from Channel 5 in Russia about how fast Russian forces could invade European capitals and the US. It starts out mentioning that Warsaw is only 1300 kms from Moscow and reachable by a T90 tank in less than 24 hours. It then goes on to mention Germany and the Baltic states. All targets reachable by land.

After mentioning London and Washington it notes that these capitals would require naval and air forces. Too bad Russia's navy and air force are barely operational and certainly not in any shape to challenge even the UK military let alone the US.

Is Channel 5 in Russia a comedy channel? There were English subtitles but it seemed as if they were seriously entertaining the idea that a Russian naval force could reach the UK unopposed.

As for the Russian Air Force reaching the US even under cover of a missile bombardment (are Russian missiles operational or would they blow up on liftoff?) I'm sure even the commanders of the Russian Air Force don't consider this a realistic possibility.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWOYm-YzUcQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWOYm-YzUcQ</a>
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Re: The Western Propaganda Thread
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2015, 05:18:34 PM »
USA has interesting new surprise waiting for attackers:

http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/tr-3b/

Space Shuttle 3.0?

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Re: The Western Propaganda Thread
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2015, 12:08:38 PM »
With Putin and his puppet army racing towards the Moldova border the fight for Moldova is continuing. Russia is in control of Transnistria and has told the Moldova government if they go with the EU Russia will keep Transnistria. Of course the unspoken threat is that Russia will also take over the rest of Moldova.

Romania is trying to get Moldova to look to the EU for support. Romania has sent ambulances and sent up an ambulance service in places like Balti, Moldova to encourage Moldovan citizens to look towards the EU rather than Russia. After the EU's poor performance in dissuading Russia from its ongoing invasion of Ukraine its hard to justify the EU way of life. After all when you have a Russian AK47 pointed at you it's really not much of a choice, is it?

http://news.yahoo.com/romania-sends-ambulances-moldova-tug-war-russia-175956056--sector.html
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Re: The Western Propaganda Thread
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2015, 02:59:10 PM »
http://www.businessinsider.com/russias-former-largest-foreign-investor-putin-is-worth-200-billion-2015-2

Russia's former largest foreign investor: Putin is worth $200 billion

MICHAEL B KELLEY
   
FEB. 15, 2015, 11:19 AM


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Re: The Western Propaganda Thread
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2015, 04:23:07 PM »
Russia is in control of Transnistria and has told the Moldova government if they go with the EU Russia will keep Transnistria.

Please link us to that statement on the Kremlin website, also, please link us to the invitation to Moldova from the EU to "go with them"?

Thanks in advance.  tiphat

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Re: The Western Propaganda Thread
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2015, 04:27:42 PM »
Guess we will have to include all of the UK Media here as well including but not limited to Daily Mail, Telegraph, Economist, Reuters, BBC etc as well then.

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Re: The Western Propaganda Thread
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2015, 05:02:59 PM »
Russia is in control of Transnistria and has told the Moldova government if they go with the EU Russia will keep Transnistria.

Please link us to that statement on the Kremlin website, also, please link us to the invitation to Moldova from the EU to "go with them"?

Thanks in advance.  tiphat

Manny you show me where the Moldova government invited Russia in to occupy Transnistria. You go first. Non Kremlin source, non Russian source. please.

OK I'm a sweetheart so I'll go first.

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-georgia-moldovaexplainer-eu-accord/25436472.html
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-14-430_en.htm?locale=en

Moldova and Georgia each will sign both an Association Agreement and a DCFTA. Also a source directly from the EU Commission. An invitation to join the EU.

Lots of reading between the 2 links. I'd certainly interpret it as an invitation to Moldova to join the EU. Wouldn't you?

Your turn. Remember something from the government of Moldova, not a region or province or city, etc, asking Russia to occupy Transnistria. Again from a non Kremlin, non Russian source. It goes without saying that the information has to be in English since I don't speak Russian and for that matter, neither do you.   

Also, change the title of the thread. I'm not American. Since the information is directly from the EU Commission it is not propaganda, nor American in nature.



 
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Re: The Western Propaganda Thread
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2015, 06:09:37 PM »
As has been mentioned before Russia derives more than half of its foreign income from the energy sector. A Bloomberg article is mentioning the possibility of $20/barrel or even $10/barrel oil. Oil is currently hovering somewhere around $50/barrel. What would happen if the $50/barrel price was cut by 60% or worse 80%?

What would happen to Russia if it's foreign income from oil was less than 10% of what it was at oil's high price in 2014? Would Putin be kicked out of office? Would those Russians in Crimea be so badly off they'd want to return to Ukrainian rule? Would the Putin's puppets in Ukraine (and elsewhere) be left to their own devices?

If the low price of oil, $10/barrel, was long term, becoming the new normal price of oil, could the Russian economy ever recover? What other sources of foreign revenue could be found to make up such a massive shortfall in revenue? 

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-02-16/oil-prices-likely-to-fall-as-supplies-rise-demand-falls?cmpid=yhoo
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Re: The Western Propaganda Thread
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2015, 05:06:02 PM »
Interview with a Russian recruiter where he divulges his activities and things such as pay scale. Russian source.

http://www.e1.ru/news/spool/news_id-416966.html

Newsweek has a nice translation for those of us who do not speak Russian.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-russians-are-sent-fight-ukraine-296937




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Re: The Western Propaganda Thread
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2015, 10:12:17 AM »
 It has been a few days, guess there was no other source to back up Manny's claim there Westy      :coffeeread:

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Re: The Western Propaganda Thread
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2015, 10:37:14 AM »
It has been a few days, guess there was no other source to back up Manny's claim there Westy      :coffeeread:

True but at least the title of the thread was changed.  :party0031:
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Re: The Western Propaganda Thread
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2015, 12:46:25 PM »
Interview with a Russian recruiter where he divulges his activities and things such as pay scale. Russian source.

http://www.e1.ru/news/spool/news_id-416966.html

Newsweek has a nice translation for those of us who do not speak Russian.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-russians-are-sent-fight-ukraine-296937

I read the article. So its all true what Putin says. There is no Russian army in Ukraine, only Volunteers without official status.
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Re: The Western Propaganda Thread
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2015, 01:16:26 PM »
I read the article. So its all true what Putin says. There is no Russian army in Ukraine, only Volunteers without official status.

General Lentsov: in suitable separatist uniform and ushanka, and who was recognised on Russian social media.  Always good to go direct to the source in such matters.  The interview with 'him' starts at the 10 minute mark:

 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV4WYWpuNWw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV4WYWpuNWw</a>

Now, compare him in uniform:

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Re: The Western Propaganda Thread
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2015, 02:20:04 PM »
I read the article. So its all true what Putin says. There is no Russian army in Ukraine, only Volunteers without official status.

Some more Western propaganda: this time from the British Embassy in Kiev, showing photos of the Pantsir S-1, one of Russia's most advanced SAM systems;  hmmm, the separatists must have picked that up at the local rinok.  :chuckle:

https://twitter.com/ukinukraine

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Re: The Western Propaganda Thread
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2015, 03:36:35 PM »
The fact that Manny titled this thread "The Western Propaganda Thread" says that he is biased against the west. If he was impartial he'd be able to give the thread an impartial title while still stating his support for Putin and all things Kremlin.
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