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Author Topic: How the Western Media Portrays Putin & Russia - And What Actually Happened.  (Read 23811 times)

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Offline AkMike

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In doubt that. Everyone above the age of 5 knows that there are distortions and blatant lies from the media.

 Unless it's Pravda or RT and Manny.. :fighting0025:
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I happened upon an article by an author called Robert Parry (I thought I'd get his name in at the start so Westy can start Googling to discredit the source) discussing the New York Times' reporting of the Ukraine crisis. He is described thus:

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Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush, was written with two of his sons, Sam and Nat. His two previous books are Secrecy & Privilege: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq and Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth'.

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Throughout the Ukraine crisis, the U.S. State Department and mainstream media have downplayed the role of neo-Nazis in the U.S.-backed Kiev regime, an inconvenient truth that is surfacing again as right-wing storm troopers fly neo-Nazi banners as they attack in the east

The New York Times reported almost in passing on Sunday that the Ukrainian government’s offensive against ethnic Russian rebels in the east has unleashed far-right paramilitary militias that have even raised a neo-Nazi banner over the conquered town of Marinka, just west of the rebel stronghold of Donetsk.

That might seem like a big story – a U.S.-backed military operation, which has inflicted thousands of mostly civilian casualties, is being spearheaded by neo-Nazis. But the consistent pattern of the mainstream U.S. news media has been – since the start of the Ukraine crisis – to white-out the role of Ukraine’s brown-shirts.

Only occasionally is the word “neo-Nazi” mentioned and usually in the context of dismissing this inconvenient truth as “Russian propaganda.” Yet the reality has been that neo-Nazis played a key role in the violent overthrow of elected President Viktor Yanukovych last February as well as in the subsequent coup regime holding power in Kiev and now in the eastern offensive.

The full article can be read >>here<<.

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As expected, some here seek to post their own links and alternative opinion. If it isn't germane to this topic, they are welcome to do so >>here<<. Might we please try to stay on topic for once?

As for the newspapers you referenced above, aren't they about the equivalent of the National Enquirer here in the States?

Media is media. People read it, some believe it. The BBC are just as guilty of this, more than most actually.

Staying in Australia for now, the media will have us believe that Tony Abbott was going to physically confront Putin, or as the Aussies say, "shirtfront" him. Abbott has been attacking Putin across Aussie media for months. The G20 was his big chance to show Putin and Australia what he is made of.

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So here is what really happened, they hugged some koala bears together.

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I cant seem to find that on the Aussie front pages for some reason. That photo is from Russian media. See the difference?

You couldn't find a photo of Putin with a koala on the Aussie front pages? Did you look? They're all over the Internet. Because of the sheer volume the easiest way to narrow down your selection is to use a search engine that allows the user to sort selections by country.

I choose Google. Not Google.com however, I used Australia's version www.google.com.au. Search on Google for Putin koala. Then to filter the results by going to the tab labelled 'Search Tools'. Under 'Search Tools' select 'Any Country' tab and under that select 'Country: Australia'. Then go back up to the top tabs and select 'Images'. It's not perfect but it will greatly reduce the number of non Australian photos.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/prime-minister-tony-abbott-and-russian-president-vladimir-putin-paws-for-a-cuddle-during-g20/story-fni0cx12-1227124291019

from Australia's Daily Telegraph.
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Well done Google guru.  :thumbsup:

Not sure if it was front page or not like the photoshopped Putins with ships, its hard to tell on net editions. But nice to see Aussie media actually did pick it up and published it somewhere. Not that it really evens out the blatant lies they did publish on the front pages. 

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manny , honestly ,

your so intent on defending mr putin you really are not open minded at all
you claim to be , however you continue to deny any shred of evidence or responsibility by mr putin  for the facts on the ground in ukraine being as they are currently


please dont start assuming to know whats going on here in australia , as you would be wrong again in most instances

australians are angry about the killing of innocent fellow citizens who where shot down in the MH 17 tragedy , you may spin it any way you wish , but the majority of people can see through the BS of mr putin and RT

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please dont start assuming to know whats going on here in australia , as you would be wrong again in most instances

I can read your headlines and delve enough to see the facts. Please elaborate on what you disagree with or what is not factual about Oz from what I have posted?

Some of my family went to Brisbane in the 60's, many have come back and forth since then. Since social media arrived, we are in close touch generations later. Some of what I got about Brisbane was from family who live there. *Please* don't make assumptions, SouthernX.

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please dont start assuming to know whats going on here in australia , as you would be wrong again in most instances

I can read your headlines and delve enough to see the facts. Please elaborate on what you disagree with or what is not factual about Oz from what I have posted?

Some of my family went to Brisbane in the 60's, many have come back and forth since then. Since social media arrived, we are in close touch generations later. Some of what I got about Brisbane was from family who live there. *Please* don't make assumptions, SouthernX.

wow , i have family in yorkshire /birmingham & wales , we also have family on the pommy side in brisbane , been there often , social media skype , even phone calls to each other , fancy that hey , even here in oz
i can only hope to god where  not related then manny ,  :hidechair:

with all your connections it it is clear you know much more than us locals

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I never said I knew more than locals.

But as to your ancestry, I can see the edge of Yorkshire from my window, many of you blokes are related to whingeing poms, so you never know.  ;D

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Manny, is where you live frequented by folks with criminal pasts then?

Mebbe a bit of sheep stealing from the fields on the hills?

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Umm I just happen to live in Australia and there were indeed koala hugging shots in the local media.

And what do low brow local tabloids recycling cold war era headlines prove other than Aussie tabloids are print journalism's lowest common denominator (as they are anywhere else in the world)?

The real story about G20 was Putin sulking off early whilst many of the other leaders stayed on in Australia for various events. The Chinese signed a free trade agreement with huge fanfare here in Australia. But they are an actual global power today and not pretending to be one because they were part of a State that was once a super power many decades ago.

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Isthmus, you have commented on a small thing that is the purpose of the topic, probably without realising it.

The real story about G20 was Putin sulking off early whilst many of the other leaders stayed on in Australia for various events.

Hardly sulking. Here are his comments:

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Though many media outlets speculated that Putin had left the summit early, skipping a Sunday working breakfast because of an icy welcome at the G20, the Russian leader reiterated on Tuesday that practically all work had been finished by that time. “I addressed all sessions,” Putin said, adding: “Our stance was heard.”

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"It will take me nine hours to Vladivostok and another nine to Moscow," said the Russian president. "On Monday morning I have to go to work and I need four to five hours' sleep."

See for yourself:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo9BRnagzT0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo9BRnagzT0</a>

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Manny, in the world of international relations, he slinked off. He copped a roasting from various other leaders over Ukraine so he left the party early.
 

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Ach, it is just silliness.

Work to be done sorting out from Poroshenko's meltdown on Friday, cleaning up to be done. No doubt the timing was not accidental.

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Despite asserting for a second time Andrew that other leaders left early, Merkel and Obama were present for the final lunch and meeting.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/g20-summit-live-coverage-of-day-two-from-brisbane/story-fnpebfcn-1227124487368

edit: Andrew edited his post before I posted my reply, he obviously decided not to display his ignorance like a banner.

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Isthmus, so what of Obama who left early?

What of the other leaders who left early, including, IIRC Merkel?

Don't display your ignorance like a banner, check yourself before posting. ;)

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Despite asserting for a second time Andrew that other leaders left early, Merkel and Obama were present for the final lunch and meeting.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/g20-summit-live-coverage-of-day-two-from-brisbane/story-fnpebfcn-1227124487368

edit: Andrew edited his post before I posted my reply, he obviously decided not to display his ignorance like a banner.

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Isthmus, so what of Obama who left early?

What of the other leaders who left early, including, IIRC Merkel?

Don't display your ignorance like a banner, check yourself before posting. ;)

Andrew was wrong again? Had to change his post to try to cover his 'ignorance'.
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