Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW

[longingforthesouth]

So much energy spent in defending this cheap sl*t, that you don't even know as if she's Blessed Mother Theresa of Calcutta or a saintess or something. You guys totally lost the plot. It's futile.

[welder]

So much energy spent in defending this cheap sl*t, that you don't even know as if she's Blessed Mother Theresa of Calcutta or a saintess or something. You guys totally lost the plot. It's futile.

Longing For Anyone, you do notice the last two pages are not about the girl right?     Do keep up!

[Donhollio]

I can only imagine there is a lot of disconnect between you and a RW, and then you become defensive and start labelling girls as losers.

I never called that girl a loser.

 He's right Dan, he never called her a loser, only a bitch, slut, whore, and.... uhh must be a few more in there.

DONHOLLIO, YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH READING AND YOU TOTALLY LOST A PLOT:

The sentence "I never called that girl a loser" was written by Danchik! Those are not my words! You rush to comment before checking everything properly. HERES A LINK TO HIS POST WHERE HE SAID THAT.

 Yes I know Dan said the word loser, how are you getting that mixed up thinking you said that? I posted what you called her. BTW, Dan wasn't inferring she was a loser, he was summerising what you have been calling her.

Long South, this is what you can do to show you're serious about her, and you want her to quit making decent cash. Tell her you'll send her $1000.00 per month. That gives her $250 a week to enjoy life on, and frees up her cam time only for you. 

 Go meet the girl, and show her what a gem you are to her. Don't expect sex until you both have gone for a HIV test at a clinic in her area, and bring along a inturp so there is no chatter about getting a fake ones. Now since the virus can take six months before showing up on a test from the last time you had sex, be sure to return six months later and proceed with your passion filled romance.

 #1   Pay her to get a shit pay job, so you can respect her
 #2   Send $1000 USD per month to show your serious intentions
 #3   Go meet her, get the tests done
 #4   Return to have sex and let love bloom

You kidding me? This is a joke, right? No, this can't be serious. Is this candid camera???

No, I don't plan to send 1000$ per month to that shizophrenic wh0re to buy her love. You mad? Is this the way you got married? Now that would explain a lot of succesful stories on this forum...

 No I only sent her about $500 a month. This allowed her to live reasonable while she waited for her visa.

I don't need an a interpretor as I speak russian almost fluently, I'm not in a contact with her anymore and I don't plan to go there.

I would be interested in seeing some Russian posts from you in the Russian language section of this forum.

Btw tests should be made in advance before any meeting in real because: What if one of the partners shows positive? Imagine what drama that would be! Better to do such things before meeting in real, before any real-life sympathies develop. Your advices are TOTALY DISASTROUS! A RECIPE FOR HELL! Please tell me that you were joking so I can come down.

 More like crawl out from under that rock.  And I do agree with you about the dramas, you've displayed more than most men do in a lifetime on some girl they've NEVER met. 

You confuse things, you don't read the whole stories and that's why you don't have a clue what are you talking about. Go back and read all the stories from the beginning.

 I couldn't be bothered, in fact I'm surprised I've given your sad tale of personal woe and angry bitterness towards all FSU females, as much time as I have.

[rosco]

longingforthesouth, I appreciate your reply.

It is not my aim to convince you to my viewpoint. I gave it to you so you had some balance. Other guys did similar.

I have no axe to grind here. I have nothing to prove. I first went to the FSU in 1998. I eventually got married in 2006. We recently celebrated our 8th anniversary. We have a 5 year old daughter.

A friend of my wife's had a bad time a couple of years ago. Her husband left her and their kid and paid her no money. She had a really bad time. I met the girl a few times. She seemed alright. The family were struggling. The girl eventually ended up on the internet doing something she probably doesn't want to tell Papa about. After a few months she paid all her debts.

I understand, I'm honestly really sorry for her situation. I ALREADY said that I could understand such a job if someone is really starving or if it is a "life or death" (in this case debt) situation. I'm not SO rigid. But if there's no real reason for that, why? Why to do that just because of some youth stupidity? Young people do stupid things for absolutely no reasons! The girl that I communicated with was not starving. She obviously picked some feminist stuff about being "independent". She spends her salary on things that are not crucial for surviving. She bragged that she bough some nice jeans, sweater and some dvd's or books (not for education purposes). Is it worth it to sell your intimacy and dignity for this nonsense? Definetly not.

Plus she has mental issues, which may also  contribute to her behaviour. Maybe she has a "kink" for that as Volshe says. Maybe she likes the attention. Now, you may assume that she has some problems which she doesn't want to talk about (e.g. debts). Well, after learning about her job, I felt comfortable to talk about anything and I asked her: Is there something else important that you would like to reveal now? It's better to say it now, than if I learn about it later. She said NO. I asked once again, she said loud and clearly: NO. If she had problems, I'd help her (of course, if we would build a ser relationship and mutual trust). She has no extreme problems, this is just some pseudo-feminist bs. Old perverts give her all kinds of nasty orders and she fullfills them as if she's a dog or something. Nice "independence", yeah.

Sorry mate but none of this sticks. A young lady wishing to be independent, particularly whilst single, is not 'feminist stuff'. This idea is absolutely moronic and a girl stripping on camera due to strong feminist values is in itself, an entirely new concept. It's also interesting that you think she's the one with mental issues. And so what, she bought a pair of jeans, a jumper and some books (not for educational purposes).......what a slut?!  Well guess what, I also buy stuff that isn't crucial for surviving and yesterday I purchased 4 books for my holiday, probably only one might be educational.......

Look I get it, you've gone so far down the road with these rants that its hard for you to find an exit without admitting that you've got most of this wrong. Sure, she wasn't your cup of tea and you wish you'd found out about the juicy bits earlier but sadly these types of secrets require an element of trust before sharing with internet strangers. Nobody's suggesting that this girl is idilic and how she lives her life is normal but dragging her through the gutter because it didn't work out only makes you look bad.

So we now know how clever you are, how knowledgable, how well travelled and how worldly you've become from your vast array of life experiences. Now its time to show that you're big enough to take criticism on board and learn from it, otherwise I suspect you'll always have problems finding a proper relationship with such an immature view of the world. The whole board can't be wrong.

[TomT]

The whole board can't be wrong.

The whole board could be wrong but, in this case, we aren't because the OP absolutely threw himself on his underemployed sword. There were many amusing, self-contradictory moments, but the bit that I found to be the most amusing was the way that he denigrated the girl for her occupation (and her paying clients), yet admitted that he availed himself of a free, private session on Skype... and blames FSU women for being hypocritical.

It's not all bad, though; this thread is an excellent cautionary tale about how not to act with FSU girls.

[andrewfi]

That bit seemed odd to me.

How can he dare to criticise her for doing that which he was an avid consumer of when it was offered to him?

What he is saying her is: It is OK for me to enjoy what you do but you are a slut for doing that which I enjoy That is wrong on just about every level.

My guess is that our hero apart from being very immature is more than a little repressed and that he has a conflict in his head (and maybe his body too) between the 'sex is dirty' stuff that he was taught as he grew up and the 'sex is fun' stuff that he has learned since his boy bits started turning into man bits.

He isn't the first and won't be the last to have that burden thrust upon him.

[TomT]

To her credit, the girl saw through the verbose facade and avoided having that burden thrust inside her.

Today's trivia: if one includes the normal airport delays, it takes less time to drive from Macedonia to Western Ukraine than it takes to fly from JFK to KBP.

[AJ]

Can i ask..what's wrong with independence in an adult woman?

I kind of expect a grown women to be independent, or at least fully able to be,she wouldn't be very interesting individual otherwise?

As a result of that "independence" now there're women who are shallow, who don't want to cook or to take care of kids etc. and there're milions of divorces and disilusioned WM, who are forced to look for a wife abroad. I'm not a conservative, I just prefer more reliable and stable woman. That's my right. If a woman is looking for a serious relationship, she must be ready to sacrifice part of her independence and make compromises (the man also). Love is about both taking AND giving. Many FSUW don't understand this, they say like "I will do whatever I bloody want, you can compromise your principles and accept it or you can leave it". Well, excuse me, the woman also needs to cooperate. You can't be commited and independent at the same time. You can't have sex and remain a virgin at the same time. Is your wife independent? Are you married or not married? You get my point.

No, I don't actually get your point.
It seems contradictory?

There may be a cultural disconnect that volshe mentioned?
I'm not sure.

To me, you seem to live in a world where two independent people, cannot be in loving,stable, mutually beneficial and committed relationship.Nor can they raise children, have family time,  or do normal house chores.
They seemingly also  must be shallow, (assume materialistic as well)?

Yes, I consider my wife independent, i would certainly not be interested in a women who wasn't capable of being a functioning  adult (to me the  words functioning  adult, imply independence, or something amiss)

That doesn't mean they are career women, or put a career as first priority.It doesn't mean they work at all.
Independence in this case simply means the mentality, maturity and capability of leading an independent adult life.
Seems a minimum requirement of any adult?
 All of the personality flaws you mentioned , can be held be a fully functioning, independent adults.


 I don't consider being in a committed relationship a sacrifice of my independence.
  I don't consider my wife's abilities to think independently,  act independently, or ability to lead a life on her own as an adult,  a challenge to our relationship in anyway.
I'd view it as a positive thing, and frankly a pretty minimum requirement in a partner.
 Before you have another rant, keep in mind my wife is home taking care of our child, in some *traditional* sense you have in mind.

 You certainly have every right to seek which best fits you!

To me, your generalities seem far off the mark,unless defining a very particular set of young women with a certain mentality.They are much easier to avoid than you let on.

The fact remains millions of FSU men have girlfriends or wives that take care of the children, cook clean..
 they may also have careers and be fully capable of leading independent lives if they so choose.
This would embody the bulk of the FSU population.

 I can not see how that would possibly be a negative thing.

[NS1]

Seems she is only a slut, when she is no longer giving him free shows,
As for the sword, I would donate one, if he would use it

[TomT]

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[longingforthesouth]

Donhollio suggests me that: I should send 1000$ each month to this shizophrenic girl, so I could keep her off that webcam site and that's how she will "love me". I have never even met her, she does not give a f. about me or even about her own family and I should pay this prostitute not to prostitute herself? Donhollio, did you use this method yourself? If yes, I don't envy that you're married. You are mad as a hatter. The value system of some people here is totally perverted. You guys should not be trusted.

the bit that I found to be the most amusing was the way that he denigrated the girl for her occupation (and her paying clients), yet admitted that he availed himself of a free, private session on Skype... and blames FSU women for being hypocritical.

TomT, you can't equate intimacy between lovers and intimacy between a client and a h00ker. Your value system is totally confused and you should not be trusted or respected. It's normal for me to share intimacy with the person with whom I have mutual sympathy. Be it in real life or virtually. For free, of course! Do you pay your wife to give you sex and to love you?

Andrew you have no clue about anything. I wasn't raised in a conservative family. Sex was discussed openly. My people have never been conservative about it. We have a rich erotic folklore. During our non-aligned and liberal communism, sex was in movies, magazines. Maybe that's why we don't behave like unleashed dogs, because erotica was not supressed here as it was in the FSU. Prostitution, camwhores and such things flourished in the FSU since the fall of communism, but not in my country.

We have boundaries that we don't cross. Receiving dildos up your ar$e in front of a cheering crowd is not our concept of "normal job". At least not for most of us. If this "camwhore" thing is normal for you, feel free to do it yourself. But who would pay to watch you anyway?

I'm OK with porn actresses, strippers. They can do whatever they want, but they're not my choice for a gf or a wife. You find it contradictional? Look, if you like clowns, do you have to marry one? No, it's just entertainment. Porn is an adult form of entertainment. If you'd tolerate to have such a gf or a wife, go and find one (but I doubt that she would like you).

I began a communication with this girl, because first she showed me only her "innnocent face". I got hooked on that face, not the second one that she later revealed. Still, I was grateful for her honesty, I gave our communication a chance and I compromised my principles. And what good was achieved? Nothing. From her side, she made no compromises, never fullfilled promises, she disregarded me, our health and safety and even her own family.  I'm very glad that I never met her. That's why she is a wh0re.

Rosco, you are right when you say that it takes time and trust for one to admit such a dirty secret. You don't reveal such things to a stranger in the first conversation. However, she choosed that nasty job herself, no one forced her. If she's daring enough to do it, then she will have to be daring enough to admit it openly in the very beginning, so that no one would be hurt later. Hurting people is bad and LEADING A DOUBLE LIFE IS A HYPOCRISY. Sorry. You can't have it both ways.

Rosco, would you prostitute yourself just to buy some inessencial things? Can I pay you 5 quid to eat a bucket of my excrement? Don't you have any standards? No offence, I'm just trying to make your brain work.

Why'd an independent-minded girl would accept a role of a "sex slave"? What I wrote really sounded contradictory. That's an antipode to feminism. However, I guess the logic is that she doesn't care about those men, they're just "instruments" for fullfiling her goals. The goal is independence and she has no moral "brakes" to achieve it. That's in a way "feministish".

Maybe in her perception, this job "empowers" her and she feels as if she's a "powerful bitch" and that she "manipulates men", she "pulls their noses", they are overwhelming her with attention, but they can never actually have her. You know, like Madonna's "Material Girl" or seomthing. Maybe I'm trying to find logic where it cannot be found.

And she does have issues. She talked to me about her depression and in the end she admited that she has some тараканы в голове (bugs in the head) and that she doesn't really know what she wants and what she does etc. Shortly, she's a shizophrenic. Maybe that's why there's no logic in what she does.

AJ, , you cannot fight wars for peace and f*ck for virginity. We all voluntarilly sacrifice part of our independence when we get into a serious relationship or a marriage. We say like you are mine and I'm yours. Or you belong to me and I belong to you. Otherwise, would your wife tolerate if you sleep around? Would you tolerate if she does the same? Or if she shares her intimacy online? Put a finger on your head and think, my friend.

Speaking of financial independence, that's good, of course! I do respect women who work hard and earn money in an hionest way. However, If it's earned by fullfilling orders of old perverts, that's not actually independence, that's surrendering yourself into sex slavery. It's "independence" only in the mind of that shizophrenic sl*t that I communicated with.

[TomT]

TomT, you can't equate intimacy between lovers and intimacy between a client and a h00ker. Your value system is totally confused and you should not be trusted or respected. It's normal for me to share intimacy with the person with whom I have mutual sympathy. Be it in real life or virtually. For free, of course! Do you pay your wife to give you sex and to love you?

Your highly developed value system and views about intimacy certainly put us to shame! I predict that there will be a flood of members wanting to introduce you to their daughters, in-laws and friends.

[AJ]

AJ, , you cannot fight wars for peace and f*ck for virginity. We all voluntarilly sacrifice part of our independence when we get into a serious relationship or a marriage. We say like you are mine and I'm yours. Or you belong to me and I belong to you. Otherwise, would your wife tolerate if you sleep around? Would you tolerate if she does the same? Or if she shares her intimacy online? Put a finger on your head and think, my friend.

Are we equating independence = ability to date anyone /anytime?

I was speaking to a woman's independence, equated to non dependence on an outside provider  ,  her ability to be a functioning adult in society.

Committing to monogamy in a  relationship is a separate subject. It could be viewed as a sacrifice, I don't find it to be one.

I don't belong to my wife, as some possession,she doesn't belong to me. She is her own person, entirely, as she should be. Both parties making a choice of commitment
to a monogamous relationship, does not mean they choose dependency,or that they are actually making a sacrifice?
That would depend on the individuals perception?
Their choice can, and should, be mutually beneficial on a few levels.
I do agree relationships require compromise, i don't equate that with a true loss of independence.

Speaking of financial independence, that's good, of course! I do respect women who work hard and earn money in an honest way.

Well that seems enlightened!!
lol sorry, i know you take a lot of flack ,and i was asking you questions to better understand your take on the FSU ..
and relationships.
I do hope those things seem  normal to you.

However, If it's earned by fullfilling orders of old perverts, that's not actually independence, that's surrendering yourself into sex slavery. It's "independence" only in the mind of that shizophrenic sl*t that I communicated with.

I wasn't speaking to your virtual  acquaintance,or  her chosen employment.
I was asking a very general question as you had brought up women's independence being an issue of sorts.

It's one girl, you never met.

 She's not some example of the average single FSU woman.
Some of us pointing that out,  doesn't make us white knights, it makes us realists.

The reality is, most FSU women are indeed normal enough mothers daughters, aunts , grandmothers.
The bulk of which are not mother Teresa incarnate..
neither are they generally stervas, shallow, horrible human beings which are additionally routinely involved in the sex trade.

Yes, most are already in relationships , or not interested in a foreign man, and that's the real challenge to those looking.

You aren't looking,and your  over generalizations are odd.

[Manny]

I have never even met her,

Now, try to build a theory around that simple nugget of information.

[longingforthesouth]

#1   Pay her to get a shit pay job, so you can respect her
 #2   Send $1000 USD per month to show your serious intentions
 #3   Go meet her, get the tests done
 #4   Return to have sex and let love bloom

Donhollio suggests me that: I should send 1000$ each month to this shizophrenic girl, so I could keep her off that webcam site and that's how she will "love me". I have never even met her, she does not give a f. about me or even about her own family and I should pay this prostitute not to prostitute herself? Donhollio, did you use this method yourself? If yes, I don't envy that you're married. You are mad as a hatter. The value system of some people here is totally perverted. You guys should not be trusted.

I have never even met her,

Now, try to build a theory around that simple nugget of information.

Perhaps I should send her 1000$ every month as Donhollio says? Why you don't say anything about his "ingenious advice"? Bravo Manny, you totally lost all your credibility and my respect.

[Manny]

I have never even met her,

Now, try to build a theory around that simple nugget of information.

Perhaps I should send her 1000$ every month as Donhollio says? Why you don't say anything about his "ingenious advice"? Bravo Manny, you totally lost all your credibility and my respect.

Maybe a $100 on a flight would have been a good investment before you started dictating to, and abusing her.

[longingforthesouth]

I have never even met her,

Now, try to build a theory around that simple nugget of information.

Perhaps I should send her 1000$ every month as Donhollio says? Why you don't say anything about his "ingenious advice"? Bravo Manny, you totally lost all your credibility and my respect.

Maybe a $100 on a flight would have been a good investment before you started dictating to, and abusing her.

Maybe you should not escape from what I asked you, be a man and say what you think about Donhollios "ingenius advice". It's obvious that MANY PEOPLE HERE PAYED TO BE "LOVED" AND TO GET MARRIED. This explains some of the "succesful stories".

[JayH]

Bravo Manny, you totally lost all your credibility and my respect.

How long did it take you to work that out?

First we had "Banny" Hill--   !!   then this clown--surely this is A Fi amusing himself  !!! 

[Lon]

LthS, which ones?  Please be specific. Name names.

It's obvious that MANY PEOPLE HERE PAYED TO BE "LOVED" AND TO GET MARRIED. This explains some of the "succesful stories".

[longingforthesouth]

LthS, which ones?  Please be specific. Name names.

It's obvious that MANY PEOPLE HERE PAYED TO BE "LOVED" AND TO GET MARRIED. This explains some of the "succesful stories".

Lon, I'm waiting for Manny to answer my question as a man without hiding: What is his opinion on Donhollio's "ingenius advice"?

Donhollio advised me that: I SHOULD SEND 1000$ EACH MONTH TO A PROSTITUTE, WHOM I NEVER MET AND WHO DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ME, SO SHE WILL "LOVE ME" AND LEAVE THAT WEBCAM SITE BEHIND.

Donhollio also said that HE WAS SENDING 500$ EACH MONTH.

I quote our correspondence:

Long South, this is what you can do to show you're serious about her, and you want her to quit making decent cash. Tell her you'll send her $1000.00 per month. That gives her $250 a week to enjoy life on, and frees up her cam time only for you. 

 #1   Pay her to get a shit pay job, so you can respect her
 #2   Send $1000 USD per month to show your serious intentions
 #3   Go meet her, get the tests done
 #4   Return to have sex and let love bloom

You kidding me? This is a joke, right? No, this can't be serious. Is this candid camera???

No, I don't plan to send 1000$ per month to that shizophrenic wh0re to buy her love. You mad? Is this the way you got married? Now that would explain a lot of succesful stories on this forum...

No I only sent her about $500 a month. This allowed her to live reasonable while she waited for her visa.

[Donhollio]

  Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else!  I have taken your words and decided to make something of it

[longingforthesouth]

  Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else!  I have taken your words and decided to make something of it

Donhollio, don't avoid the answer like a woman. Look me in the eyes and answer my question: You suggested me to send 1000 dollars each month to a prostitute to buy her love, so you used that method yourself, right? Do you practise what you preach? Did you bought yourself a wife? You were sending 500$ per month. And how many other people on this forum did that and what are their names?

Manny, I'm still waiting for answers, don't hide, we know that you are reading this. You condone camwhores, prostitutes and all kinds of immoral things, so what is your opinion on Donhollio and his practices of buying women? You will condone them, too as in "well, not a big deal"?

[Orchid]

Manny, HOW OLD ARE YOU?

                   He is 29.

And three quarters. 

Nobody needs to know details. 

[Slumba]

  Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else!  I have taken your words and decided to make something of it

Donhollio, don't avoid the answer like a woman. Look me in the eyes and answer my question: You suggested me to send 1000 dollars each month to a prostitute to buy her love, so you used that method yourself, right? Do you practise what you preach? Did you bought yourself a wife? You were sending 500$ per month. And how many other people on this forum did that and what are their names?

Manny, I'm still waiting for answers, don't hide, we know that you are reading this. You condone camwhores, prostitutes and all kinds of immoral things, so what is your opinion on Donhollio and his practices of buying women? You will condone them, too as in "well, not a big deal"?

My view would be to look for a package deal - find a girl with a sister who is no more than 3 years younger, and try to get them on a 2-for-1 setup.  Much cheaper.

[longingforthesouth]

  Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else!  I have taken your words and decided to make something of it

Donhollio, don't avoid the answer like a woman. Look me in the eyes and answer my question: You suggested me to send 1000 dollars each month to a prostitute to buy her love, so you used that method yourself, right? Do you practise what you preach? Did you bought yourself a wife? You were sending 500$ per month. And how many other people on this forum did that and what are their names?

Manny, I'm still waiting for answers, don't hide, we know that you are reading this. You condone camwhores, prostitutes and all kinds of immoral things, so what is your opinion on Donhollio and his practices of buying women? You will condone them, too as in "well, not a big deal"?

My view would be to look for a package deal - find a girl with a sister who is no more than 3 years younger, and try to get them on a 2-for-1 setup.  Much cheaper.

My view is that you are covering eachother by posting nonsence. Manny and Donhollio, many people waiting for your answers and explanations.