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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2014, 07:15:42 PM »
I am just wondering where have you seen prostitutes dreaming about university education?
What is name of this place?

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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2014, 07:21:40 PM »
selling her soul either way, one is short term, one is longer.
One is several hours a day, one is 24 hours a day.
There is nothing permanent except change.

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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2014, 07:27:41 PM »
I am just wondering where have you seen prostitutes dreaming about university education?
What is name of this place?

UW


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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2014, 07:28:53 PM »
Would you like, if you have a daughter/granddaughter marrying grandfathers?

Hypothetically, if I had a daughter:

given a choice between her going into prostitution or marriage to a decent, trustworthy, economically stable man, I think I'd prefer the latter. The age would not be a huge concern, as long as I know he isn't a drunk, a wife beater, or a drug addict.

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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2014, 07:32:28 PM »
I am just wondering where have you seen prostitutes dreaming about university education?
What is name of this place?

Why? Do you intend to pay a visit? I could name a few places, but I won't assist anybody in taking advantage of these unfortunate young women.

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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2014, 07:34:23 PM »
I am just wondering where have you seen prostitutes dreaming about university education?
What is name of this place?

Why? Do you intend to pay a visit? I could name a few places, but I won't assist anybody in taking advantage of these unfortunate young women.

You seem to be the only one here looking for such a girl.
There is nothing permanent except change.

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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #56 on: September 20, 2014, 07:37:15 PM »
I am just wondering where have you seen prostitutes dreaming about university education?
What is name of this place?

UW

Prostitution and good education do not exist together, Larry.
If a woman has a head on her shoulders, she will find a decent way to earn money.
Without this condition she will not be able to go through education.
I guess, it's just another trick to look more attractive to a man and get paid more for her service.
"Sorry, man! University is so expensive!"

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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #57 on: September 20, 2014, 07:43:00 PM »
I am just wondering where have you seen prostitutes dreaming about university education?
What is name of this place?

UW

Prostitution and good education do not exist together, Larry.
If a woman has a head on her shoulders, she will find a decent way to earn money.
Without this condition she will not be able to go through education.
I guess, it's just another trick to look more attractive to a man and get paid more for her service.
"Sorry, man! University is so expensive!"

It was sort of a pun.

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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #58 on: September 20, 2014, 07:44:10 PM »
selling her soul either way, one is short term, one is longer.
One is several hours a day, one is 24 hours a day.

Again, a very cynical view of marriage, one I've seen voiced repeatedly on this thread. Do you honestly believe that a young woman is incapable of bonding with a kind, sympathetic, good-natured older male who genuinely cares about her?

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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #59 on: September 20, 2014, 08:01:28 PM »
In all due respect I think you are trolling sir.

Actually, I'm not. I was hoping to receive feedback on this issue from the female users of this forum. It's interesting that of the three women who replied, two of them made jokes, while the third claimed that education and prostitution are mutually exclusive.

One thing I found frankly surprising is that several of the male users here seem to equate marriage with prostitution. Surely you don't view your own partners in that light?

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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #60 on: September 20, 2014, 08:06:47 PM »
You seem to be the only one here looking for such a girl.

I haven't stated I'm looking for anyone. All I've done is ask a few questions.

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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #61 on: September 20, 2014, 08:09:19 PM »

The motivational profiles of sex workers are vastly different to those of younger women who aspire to improve their lifestyle by marriage to a wealthy guy.  To equate the two groups is simply stupid.
100% agree.
Boris,

I think we can safely assume that the OP has no personal experience of any FSU country.

I disagree with the thread title "Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?" 

IMHO roughly the same number of Russian/Ukrainian women have a sincere interest in marriage to an older man now as they did 10 - 15 years ago.

The number of young women seeking a donkey to transport them out of their dire economic circumstances has fallen substantially in recent years.  There is no significant MOB industry in Russia any more.  However the economic situation in Ukraine will likely cause an increase.

Only a small percentage of young women will consider marriage to an older guy.  The trick is finding one of these women and that is no easy task...

Also it is not marriage to ANY older guy.  The man needs to be exceptional in many ways.
  Fat, fifty and living in a double wide is never going to make it  (:)


This is a point I have been making repeatedly--guy needs to have something going for him. Unfortunately the whole mob business seems to attract a lot of social misfits in one way or another. That is not to say that iALL are-- that is not the case. One of the problems with the forums is that some here want to place EVERY guy who comes here in that category-- and our OP here seems to be coming at this from all the wrong directions-for whatever reason.

Again, a very cynical view of marriage, one I've seen voiced repeatedly on this thread. Do you honestly believe that a young woman is incapable of bonding with a kind, sympathetic, good-natured older male who genuinely cares about her?

This goes back to the thread title-- and not to what you subsequently wrote.
I believe it is possible .As others said earlier-it is not every girl who will consider it. Recently I had discussions with a very attractive 25yo who had just broken up with her 26yo boyfriend who did not want to get married. She felt her time was running out to get married !! In further discussion-- it came out that she thought up to 30 was ok-- but ruled out 31 yo !!
The general age-gap discussion is covered many times on forums- your question relates to the economic security on offer-- that is a big plus for a guy .However--it will only be a part of the equation ( unless the guy is seriously loaded-that can distort the initial "success" equation)- a guy needs a lot more than that to achieve a age-gap relationship successfully.As a starter-- he needs to be fittish and not fat.!! ;D




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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2014, 08:12:16 PM »
Please enlighten us on the conservatism of Ukrainian women as compared to Western women. I am interested in the details.

Certainly, Boris.

The majority of FSU women have been raised in a patriarchal culture where second-wave feminism has never gained a significant foothold. Most have been raised from an early age to believe that females should occupy a nurturing, care-giving role within society, rather than compete with males for higher status positions. The emphasis is upon motherhood and domesticity, and many are actively discouraged from entering traditionally male-dominated occupations.

I read your post to the better half.  His response - this person has probably never been to the FSU.



Translation - Glory to Women's Equality in the USSR. 



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There is also covert pressure to accept anti-social behaviour from male partners, such as drug abuse, alcoholism, gambling and domestic violence. It's only quite recently that Eastern European women have begun to realize they have a wider range of options than their predecessors, and don't have to put up with lying, cheating, wife-beating scum-bags. This is, of course, a positive step for the entire culture, but unfortunately, the majority of the female population is still bound - to varying degrees - by decades-old traditions which condition them to accept secondary positions within society. Sad, but true all the same.

Were that true, the divorce rate in the Slavic republics of the USSR would not have exploded in the late 1970's.  Almost all of that divorce was due to alcoholism.

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East European women possess a more conservative world view than those of the West. Studies have shown that they receive lower salaries than their male counterparts and have severely limited opportunities for career advancement.

Studies show the same thing in the West.

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It has also been established that a vast number of Ukrainian women have been subjected to physical and sexual violence, usually the result of male aggression and alcohol consumption.  Women on average earn 30 percent less than men within the work force, and are more likely to be laid off during times of economic downturn.

Which is almost identical to wage disparity in North America.

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At present, nearly 80 percent of Ukraine's unemployed demographic is female. Over 56 percent of all Ukrainian women are full time housewives. However, all of this is not the worst part.

The number of housewives is tied to the lack of jobs.  In general terms, the last generation of housewives in the FSU were born before or around the time of the Revolution.

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The worst part is that these women are willing to accept such disparities, often without comment, because they are expected to do so. Why? They have been raised in a highly conservative and patriarchal environment which more or less programs them to suffer in silence.

LOL.  One thing one cannot say about FSUW is that they suffer in silence.  It's just not a Slavic thing.

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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2014, 08:23:03 PM »
AJ, I don't know about the US but in this part of the world a strip club is often seen by both clients and workers as a kind of introduction agency, a matchmaker if you will.

The girls are often seeking a substantial upgrade in life and lifestyle and there's one thing that is always true of the clients who go to these places - they have disposable cash, they like the girls who work there and they tend to be 'generous' rather than greedy. For their part the girls tend to be attractive, sociable, often pretty bright and 'realistic' about the attainment of their personal goals.

It is quite different here. Strip clubs are meant to go have a few beers with the guys and look at naked women. Some will illegally offer services and sometimes people will meet, but that is very rare. The women are sociable but usually not very bright and have drug and other problems.

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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2014, 08:31:11 PM »
Studies show the same thing in the West.

As I said to Boris, show me a single report which states that East European women are as politically, economically or socially liberated as their Western counterparts. Do that, and I will cede you the point, Halo.

One thing one cannot say about FSUW is that they suffer in silence.  It's just not a Slavic thing.

Misogynistic insults don't prove anything, Halo.
You don't seem to have a very high opinion of women.


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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2014, 08:36:11 PM »
Many countries within the FSU offer student loans, subsidies, and (in some cased) completely free tuition within their higher education system.

However, to the best of my knowledge, none of these cover basic living expenses. If a student comes from an economically impoverished background, he or she will still be facing an uphill battle, particularly if only one parent is working in a minimum income position. Under these circumstances, the student would feel considerable pressure to contribute economically.

Most of the women live at home so there is not much need for additional income to pay for boarding. My wife and all her friends went to University for practically free. There were a few very small fees here and there.

At least one user here has suggested that women go into prostitution for "free vacations" and "expensive shoes". Another suggested they enter the sex industry to fulfill some kind of fantasy. Both of them are wrong.

While I have no knowledge of how Russian escorts operate in Asia I do personally know several here in the US. One woman here makes 2k-10k per night. She has no interest in marrying an older man. She makes more money than most men in the US and does whatever she wants whenever she wants.

I am friends with a GTG, who sleeps with men in exchange for staying at luxury condos, use of nice vehicles, nights on the town, shoes, vacations, dinner, petty cash. She has no interest in marring an older man and prefers to sleep with someone here and there to satisfy her needs. For her it is all about the money and lifestyle.

My wife has also met several high end Russian escorts in airports returning from the Middle East. One woman actually tried to recruit her. Free trips all over the world, you get to suntan on a yacht and drink champagne, and the best part is you hardly ever need to sleep with the sheiks. Anything you want they will fly out to the yacht by helicopter.

You can simply login to a Russian dating site and you will see many Russian escorts willing to take a trip with you. They are even all over the American "find a trip partner" websites.

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« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2014, 08:42:49 PM »
While I have no knowledge of how Russian escorts operate in Asia I do personally know several here in the US. One woman here makes 2k-10k per night. She has no interest in marrying and older man. She makes more money than most men in the US and does whatever she wants whenever she wants.

I am friends with a GTG, who sleeps with men in exchange for staying at luxury condos, use of nice vehicles, nights on the town, shoes, vacations, dinner, petty cash. She has no interest in marring an older man and prefers to sleep with someone here and there to satisfy her needs. For her it is all about the money and lifestyle.

My wife has also met several high end Russian escorts in airports returning from the Middle East. One woman actually tried to recruit her. Free trips all over the world, you get to suntan on a yacht and drink champagne, and the best part is you hardly ever need to sleep with the sheiks. Anything you want they will fly out to the yacht by helicopter.

It sounds to me like these women have no interest in marrying anybody.

So Sasha, for the record: do you believe that prostitution is preferable to marrying an older man?

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« Reply #67 on: September 20, 2014, 08:44:30 PM »
Studies show the same thing in the West.

As I said to Boris, show me a single report which states that East European women are as politically, economically or socially liberated as their Western counterparts. Do that, and I will cede you the point, Halo.

I don't care if you believe it.  Ukraine had a female prime minister, which is arguably the most powerful position of any politician in the country.  She was also one of the richest individuals in the country, and, until Yanukovych, the biggest thief of state resources since the collapse of the USSR.

You don't need studies.  Just go live there.

One thing one cannot say about FSUW is that they suffer in silence.  It's just not a Slavic thing.

Misogynistic insults don't prove anything, Halo.
You don't seem to have a very high opinion of women.

LOL.  It isn't misogynistic.  It's reality.  Slavs don't tend to hold in their emotions, male or female.
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« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2014, 08:49:55 PM »
While I have no knowledge of how Russian escorts operate in Asia I do personally know several here in the US. One woman here makes 2k-10k per night. She has no interest in marrying and older man. She makes more money than most men in the US and does whatever she wants whenever she wants.

I am friends with a GTG, who sleeps with men in exchange for staying at luxury condos, use of nice vehicles, nights on the town, shoes, vacations, dinner, petty cash. She has no interest in marring an older man and prefers to sleep with someone here and there to satisfy her needs. For her it is all about the money and lifestyle.

My wife has also met several high end Russian escorts in airports returning from the Middle East. One woman actually tried to recruit her. Free trips all over the world, you get to suntan on a yacht and drink champagne, and the best part is you hardly ever need to sleep with the sheiks. Anything you want they will fly out to the yacht by helicopter.

So Sasha, for the record: do you believe that prostitution is preferable to marrying an older man?

If a woman wants to make that choice and she is not coerced in any way, is not doing so to support an addiction or provide for any basic needs, then yes, I have no problem with it.

It sounds to me like these women have no interest in marrying anybody.

The two women that live here are open to marriage. They want a young, good looking, wealthy man. I cannot speak for the women that fly to the Middle East.

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Re: Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?
« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2014, 08:54:42 PM »
LOL.  One thing one cannot say about FSUW is that they suffer in silence.  It's just not a Slavic thing.

Ain't that the truth   :ROFL:

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« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2014, 08:56:04 PM »
LOL.  One thing one cannot say about FSUW is that they suffer in silence.  It's just not a Slavic thing.

Ain't that the truth   :ROFL:

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

That has been my experience too.

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« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2014, 09:13:16 PM »
It isn't misogynistic.  It's reality.  Slavs don't tend to hold in their emotions, male or female.

Actually, your initial statement referred specifically to former Soviet Union women, which makes it overtly misogynistic.

I don't care if you believe it... 
You don't need studies.

Well, you clearly have no evidence to support your views, otherwise you would have posted it.

Ukraine had a female prime minister, which is arguably the most powerful position of any politician in the country.  She was also one of the richest individuals in the country, and, until Yanukovych, the biggest thief of state resources since the collapse of the USSR.

That is one exception (viewed by many as a politically motivated vendetta), which you appear to be using to denigrate all women. It certainly doesn't prove that East European females are as liberated as those of the west. Yulia Tymoshenko managed to claw her way to the top, but the rest of the country's female population is still treated like second class citizens.

I'll admit however, that you've awakened my curiosity. What are your views on women in general? You've already stated that you treat your partner like a domestic servant. Would you treat all women that way if you could get way with it? Do you agree with Viktor Yanukovych's comment that "A woman's place is in the kitchen"?

Looking forward to your reply.

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« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2014, 09:19:40 PM »
I never stated I treat my partner like a domestic servant. 
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« Reply #73 on: September 20, 2014, 09:19:52 PM »
Ain't that the truth   :ROFL:


:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

That has been my experience too.

Well, perhaps if you weren't misogynistic, they'd have nothing to complain about.

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« Reply #74 on: September 20, 2014, 09:21:27 PM »
Ain't that the truth   :ROFL:


:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

That has been my experience too.

Well, perhaps if you weren't misogynistic, they'd have nothing to complain about.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.