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Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« on: September 01, 2014, 10:38:56 PM »
Is anyone else dealing with this?
Apparently a law was passed in Russia that requires Russian citizens with dual citizenship to register with the Rus. consulate before Oct. 4. Reliable details about this are hard to come by. Embassy website gives contradictory info about what to do and has me totally confused.

Any input would be appreciated.
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Re: Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2014, 11:37:49 PM »
Wifey is just doing this at the moment

Will update when i know anything more

But the process so far is she has been to OVIR was given the forms, and will now get her UK passport translated then have to take it to the UFMS office

All i know at the moment.
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Re: Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2014, 11:49:01 PM »
Is anyone else dealing with this?
Apparently a law was passed in Russia that requires Russian citizens with dual citizenship to register with the Rus. consulate before Oct. 4. Reliable details about this are hard to come by. Embassy website gives contradictory info about what to do and has me totally confused.

Any input would be appreciated.

Any Russian citizen must have registration.
It can be any place in Russia.
For example, I live in the USA.
I still have my house in Russia. I am registered at my house.
When I sell it, I will have to be registered at Russian consulate in Seattle.
I do not know why you think it’s new. It’s an old rule.


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Re: Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2014, 12:25:57 AM »
Is anyone else dealing with this?
Apparently a law was passed in Russia that requires Russian citizens with dual citizenship to register with the Rus. consulate before Oct. 4. Reliable details about this are hard to come by. Embassy website gives contradictory info about what to do and has me totally confused.

Any input would be appreciated.

Any Russian citizen must have registration.
It can be any place in Russia.
For example, I live in the USA.
I still have my house in Russia. I am registered at my house.
When I sell it, I will have to be registered at Russian consulate in Seattle.
I do not know why you think it’s new. It’s an old rule.

Orchid, you have missed the post meaning.

What the new rule is as follows

If you have Russian citizenship, but also have say American or British or another country citizenship I>E the passport from that country, you have to inform the UFMS of your second citzenship or passport you hold

Hope that helps
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Re: Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2014, 12:48:59 AM »
Sparky, your wife need not do her UK passport translation,  copy will be enough.
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Re: Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2014, 03:46:20 AM »
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I had the impression that this only applied to Russians who are actually resident in Russia and not those resident in other countries.

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Re: Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2014, 04:19:58 AM »
That was my understanding also Trevor.

Quote from: ITAR-TASS
An exception is made for those permanently resident abroad

http://en.itar-tass.com/opinions/1798

Although this article from June states that it hadn't then been made clear whether or not it affected expatriates.

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-expatriates-dual-citizenship-law/25432010.html

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Re: Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2014, 04:24:29 AM »
Hi,

This one is puzzling me completely now.

Originally we were thinking that the registration was not necessary for us. To make sure we have contacted the Russian embassy in The Netherlands about this registration. We were being told that, if applicable, the registration also needs to be done by Russians living in The Netherlands. What is puzzling me is that we were being told that this registration could only be done in Russia. If Russians living outside The Russian federation have to do it as well, why do they first have to travel (within a few months) to Russia?

Were we being fed a line?
Am I understanding correctly that in other countries this is not the case?
Are there any cloggies who have solved this issue?

Thanks for any clarification, Jan

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Re: Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2014, 04:56:52 AM »
Article Six of the Russian Federation Constitution allows for dual citizenship. The new law, at least for now, doesn't ban it outright, but allows officials to levy fines to those who fail to register. The fine is 200,000 rubles and/or 400 hours of community service upon conviction.

The Federal Migration Service estimates that some 30 million Russians live outside the country.

The facts from MFA:

- The deadline for registration is 4 October, for those who live in Russia.

- Those who fail to register will eventually be filed for criminal charges, including being labeled as a "foreign agent."

- Embassies and Consulates abroad can not facilitate the registration--it must be done in a Russia MFA office.


The good news for those living outside Russia:

- You do not have to make a special trip to Russia to register.

- However you absolutely must register upon your next visit to Russia. You will then have 60 days while inside Russia to get it done. You may not however, leave without registering.

- The FMA has stressed that any entry into Russia, no matter how short that visit may be, you must register prior to leaving Russia. (That may impact those planning holiday travel when many state offices are closed for extended periods of time.)

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Re: Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2014, 05:20:28 AM »
Mendeleyev,

Thank you so much for that!! That is very clear :party0031:
Highly appreciated.

Jan

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Re: Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2014, 05:40:41 AM »
Thanks Mendy.

- The FMA has stressed that any entry into Russia, no matter how short that visit may be, you must register prior to leaving Russia. (That may impact those planning holiday travel when many state offices are closed for extended periods of time.)

That may indeed cause problems.

Probably a question for Sparky:-

Do you have any idea how long the process takes? Is it just a question of getting the forms from OVIR, completing them and visiting FMS? In short, could it be done in a single day?

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Re: Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2014, 05:45:19 AM »
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Re: Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2014, 05:53:28 AM »
Is anyone else dealing with this?
Apparently a law was passed in Russia that requires Russian citizens with dual citizenship to register with the Rus. consulate before Oct. 4. Reliable details about this are hard to come by. Embassy website gives contradictory info about what to do and has me totally confused.

Any input would be appreciated.

Any Russian citizen must have registration.
It can be any place in Russia.
For example, I live in the USA.
I still have my house in Russia. I am registered at my house.
When I sell it, I will have to be registered at Russian consulate in Seattle.
I do not know why you think it’s new. It’s an old rule.

Orchid, it's a new law. It's being actively discussed on Russian expat forums. They are threatening with fines and even with criminal prosecution,  so everyone who travels to Russia to see family, friends or for other reasons must comply. You can watch this video, there is a little more here on the procedure. Now, how accurately they describe it at the press conference is not clear. For example, they say in this video that if you are no longer registered in Russia, you don't have to do it, which apparently is wrong. You have to mail the paperwork anyway.



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Re: Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2014, 05:57:17 AM »
Thanks Mendy.

- The FMA has stressed that any entry into Russia, no matter how short that visit may be, you must register prior to leaving Russia. (That may impact those planning holiday travel when many state offices are closed for extended periods of time.)

That may indeed cause problems.

Probably a question for Sparky:-

Do you have any idea how long the process takes? Is it just a question of getting the forms from OVIR, completing them and visiting FMS? In short, could it be done in a single day?

You download the form, fill it out, attach copies of ID's/passports, mail them, and (important!) keep the stamped confirmation slip. I guess it depends on how close the post office is. Watch the video in my previous post for more (in Russian)

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Re: Dual Citizenship registration for FSUW
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2014, 06:05:21 AM »
I suppose it employs a few more babushkas to abuse people through a window.....
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