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http://nationalinterest.org/feature/2019-could-be-very-bad-year-ukraine-22567

At least in the short term, it costs less to steal natural gas than to buy it. It amazes me that Russia continues to give Ukraine this opportunity; it amazes me more that other gas suppliers think that they will actually get paid; it amazes me most of all that thieves believe that their thievery can continue forever.
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http://nationalinterest.org/feature/2019-could-be-very-bad-year-ukraine-22567

At least in the short term, it costs less to steal natural gas than to buy it. It amazes me that Russia continues to give Ukraine this opportunity; it amazes me more that other gas suppliers think that they will actually get paid; it amazes me most of all that thieves believe that their thievery can continue forever.



 As you know already, Ukraine is steeped in thievery and corruption so why not believe it can continue forever?
I just finished reading an article about hackers that had taken over 100 million dollars. German and American authorities spent a few years investigating, with Ukrainian police busted the hackers, only to have the Ukrainian in charge free the suspected leader the next day.
Of course his whereabouts are unknown.
If you have enough money you can buy your way out of most anything in Ukraine.
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20,000 Nazis March in Kiev. The Western Media Somehow Fails to Notice

http://russia-insider.com/en/20000-nazis-march-kiev-western-media-somehow-fails-notice/ri21294

Try like perhaps, maybe 2,000.

A few streets are closed off and there are police, more than normal in the area. Seeing that different interests protest on an almost daily basis in an around the Rada and Government buildings one can guess what is the agenda of the Russian Insider.  :pointlaugh:
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20,000 Nazis March in Kiev. The Western Media Somehow Fails to Notice

http://russia-insider.com/en/20000-nazis-march-kiev-western-media-somehow-fails-notice/ri21294

Try like perhaps, maybe 2,000.

A few streets are closed off and there are police, more than normal in the area. Seeing that different interests protest on an almost daily basis in an around the Rada and Government buildings one can guess what is the agenda of the Russian Insider.  :pointlaugh:



Watched a couple videos and I do doubt twenty thousand, but looked to be bit more than you suggest.
Protests like this would definitely be blamed on Trump if it took place in the United states.
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20,000 Nazis March in Kiev. The Western Media Somehow Fails to Notice

http://russia-insider.com/en/20000-nazis-march-kiev-western-media-somehow-fails-notice/ri21294

Try like perhaps, maybe 2,000.

A few streets are closed off and there are police, more than normal in the area. Seeing that different interests protest on an almost daily basis in an around the Rada and Government buildings one can guess what is the agenda of the Russian Insider.  :pointlaugh:

Watched a couple videos and I do doubt twenty thousand, but looked to be bit more than you suggest.
Protests like this would definitely be blamed on Trump if it took place in the United states.

Today, Saturday, went for a walk and we ended up at the Mariinsky Park, which is anchoured at one end by the Rada. It was almost surreal or dystopian, babushka's with there little dogs, Right Sector militia, and kids using Segway's. Opposite the Rada is a portion fenced off, occupied by those of the a Ukrainian Nationalist tint. Both ends are open and people make there way way through, lovers, and platoon's of Ukraine military, along with those hurrying some where else. Outside well organized are portable latrines, out would step a policeman in riot gear and than next to him would come some para military pimple faced kid from the Right Sector. You could see some one with an affiliation to Ukrainian nationalism, discussing matters with an Orthodox Father. Vendors were selling trinkets and there flowers and Ukraine flags for sale as well. Plus the snails (mobile coffee kiosks) selling espresso.

The fences were well guarded by the military posted every ten meters, but they were back to the fence. Some took foto's others went about there business. It seems there is no interest for the far right. For every Nationalist there were ten policeman and military milling about. Further away the police were controlling trucks before allowing them to get closer, which seems like an intelligent precaution.

It certainly is not a tense situation. In fact it was more Kafkaesque than anything sinister. 
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Poroshenko Vows Push To Create Anticorruption Court By Year's End
https://www.rferl.org/a/poroshenko-vows-push-create-anticorruption-court-by-yearend/28807413.html

I wonder what he is smokin?

Currently M. Martynenko an ex-lawmaker is under investigation for embezelling to the tune of 17 million. Presently two of the top of Ukraine's Defense Ministry are accused of corruption a mere 5.5 million. Presently a law is working its way through the Rada that will not prosecute the noted plus many others who are corrupt.

On another front it seems the water of the entire city of Kiev will be turned off (I doubt that will happen) but the water company has not paid the electric bill and diverted those funds too . . .

Yes there are numerous calls for reform, but the status qua of fraud, bribery and corruption is so deeply inbeded in society that I do not see a near term solution.
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