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Offline Boris

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Where did my post go?

And mine! Seems we have mods from RT....

It seems one man's news is another man's propaganda.... :laugh:

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Links banned at ukraine. Fresh information and maps online (in English).

http://en.voicesevas.ru/

http://cassad.net/?do=warmarker

It can't be considered as government propaganda, people work for free at this resource.

I asked my nephew to try your links.  He could access them, notwithstanding the fact he lives in the fascist capital.

And after all the millions the US government has sent to Kiev.  They've had more than six months!  Lazy Banderivtsi.

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Links banned at ukraine. Fresh information and maps online (in English).

http://en.voicesevas.ru/

http://cassad.net/?do=warmarker

It can't be considered as government propaganda, people work for free at this resource.

I asked my nephew to try your links.  He could access them, notwithstanding the fact he lives in the fascist capital.

Это дело времени, поклонница censor.net  ;D http://cassad.net/analytics/325-spisok-nehoroshih-resursov.html Пусть еще русско-язычную версию проверит, прорвем информационную блокаду в фашистской столице  ;D
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http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21492.msg377540#msg377540

Also in the Hitchens piece -
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(T)hey think that because the Russian government is bad (beyond dispute)  . . . 
 
Russia meanwhile tells its own lies, not of exaggeration but of what might politely be called understatement.  Russia maintains, quite incredibly, that none of its soldiers are in Ukraine and that it is not arming the rebels.  Of course Russian soldiers are in Ukraine, and of course Russia is helping with supplies and training. To the extent that all its operations are technically deniable, this may well be true. But it is obvious that the GRU is giving powerful aid to the rebels. Quite rightly, the western media recover their proper scepticism when confronted by these claims, and sneer at them.
 

In other news today, the Italian newspaper La Repubblica, has reported that Putin told Barroso he if he wants, he can "take Kyiv in two weeks".  Now that's the type of "diplomacy" I am certain Hitchens could get behind.


 

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Ukrainian police shoot unarmed member of the public.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48MPQwuOdac" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48MPQwuOdac</a>

Forward to 3:30.

It looks like initially they were shooting in the air then one guy decides to shoot at the ground in front of them. Forgot about the ricochet effect...

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Articles like this don't help creating Russian support....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/how_to_solve_the_putin_problem.html

No wonder Putin's popularity is increasing, even within the younger citizens.

Probably true almost the chivvy elements, just like here when in 1982 when everyone was loving us sinking a ship and drowning 300 men. Gotcha!!
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Articles like this don't help creating Russian support....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/how_to_solve_the_putin_problem.html

No wonder Putin's popularity is increasing, even within the younger citizens.

Probably true almost the chivvy elements, just like here when in 1982 when everyone was loving us sinking a ship and drowning 300 men. Gotcha!!

Created the sun as we now know it! Aussie paper selling copies, worked. If we hadn't of been at war and Maggie was attempting a peace process then I'm sure the headlines might have read somewhat different, maybe "We can work it out and get it straight, or say good night"? No doubt they'll be famous words one day.

Can't see the 2 worlds leading military powers getting closer with publications like this, patriotic nations fighting it out!
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Articles like this don't help creating Russian support....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/how_to_solve_the_putin_problem.html

No wonder Putin's popularity is increasing, even within the younger citizens.

That is the bloody point lost on all the prattling EU & UK Putin pacifists - trying to create Russian "support" is akin to welcoming both a Russian Polar Bear and Kamchatka Brown (Giant fast Grizzly) Bear into your bedroom - sooner or later you are going to have a very very bad day - or night as the case may be.

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Articles like this don't help creating Russian support....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/how_to_solve_the_putin_problem.html

No wonder Putin's popularity is increasing, even within the younger citizens.

Isn't Putin doing exactly what you're accusing the Americans of doing? Putin has already said "Russia's partners...should understand it's best not to mess with us...", Putin then said "I want to remind you that Russia is one of the leading nuclear powers." That certainly is cowboy diplomacy at its best.

There's little doubt Putin wants Ukraine to stay in Russia's sphere of influence. The only real debate is can he take and keep all of Ukraine or will he have to settle for only that part of Ukraine east of the Dnieper? 
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Articles like this don't help creating Russian support....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/how_to_solve_the_putin_problem.html

No wonder Putin's popularity is increasing, even within the younger citizens.

Isn't Putin doing exactly what you're accusing the Americans of doing? Putin has already said "Russia's partners...should understand it's best not to mess with us...", Putin then said "I want to remind you that Russia is one of the leading nuclear powers." That certainly is cowboy diplomacy at its best.

There's little doubt Putin wants Ukraine to stay in Russia's sphere of influence. The only real debate is can he take and keep all of Ukraine or will he have to settle for only that part of Ukraine east of the Dnieper?

Perhaps let the East Ukies vote on it like in Crimea...

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Articles like this don't help creating Russian support....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/how_to_solve_the_putin_problem.html

No wonder Putin's popularity is increasing, even within the younger citizens.

Isn't Putin doing exactly what you're accusing the Americans of doing? Putin has already said "Russia's partners...should understand it's best not to mess with us...", Putin then said "I want to remind you that Russia is one of the leading nuclear powers." That certainly is cowboy diplomacy at its best.

There's little doubt Putin wants Ukraine to stay in Russia's sphere of influence. The only real debate is can he take and keep all of Ukraine or will he have to settle for only that part of Ukraine east of the Dnieper?

Perhaps let the East Ukies vote on it like in Crimea...

Who gets to count the votes?  Bad Vlad's terrorist militia?

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Articles like this don't help creating Russian support....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/how_to_solve_the_putin_problem.html

No wonder Putin's popularity is increasing, even within the younger citizens.

Isn't Putin doing exactly what you're accusing the Americans of doing? Putin has already said "Russia's partners...should understand it's best not to mess with us...", Putin then said "I want to remind you that Russia is one of the leading nuclear powers." That certainly is cowboy diplomacy at its best.

There's little doubt Putin wants Ukraine to stay in Russia's sphere of influence. The only real debate is can he take and keep all of Ukraine or will he have to settle for only that part of Ukraine east of the Dnieper?

It's a US article isn't it? Knowing how patriotic these people are, articles like that are hardly going to create support to oust a president from inside. Besides I have not accused the US of doing anything, I have said they shouldn't be poking their nose in where its not wanted.

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Besides I have not accused the US of doing anything, I have said they shouldn't be poking their nose in where its not wanted.

Would you say that Russia shouldn't be poking its nose into another country (Ukraine) where it was not wanted? 


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Besides I have not accused the US of doing anything, I have said they shouldn't be poking their nose in where its not wanted.

Would you say that Russia shouldn't be poking its nose into another country (Ukraine) where it was not wanted?

Ukraine, Russia and the EU should of been dealing with this, US involvement wasn't needed.
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Russia should have stayed out of it.  It trained provocateurs who, from the outset, used violence.  It sent FSB and GRU agents to kill Ukrainians.  It sent weapons to kill Ukrainians, and when they didn't back down, Russia sent more weapons and soldiers.  The violence in Ukraine can be traced back to the Kremlin's door step.  Full stop.