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Re: Media Article Links on the Troubles in Ukraine, Novorossiya/NAF, DPR, LPR/LNR
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2014, 06:00:52 AM »
Two quotes of interest in todays papers here, the first of which wouldn't have received exposure a few weeks ago - demonstrative I think of the slow change in the media's stance:

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West's 'plan to force out Putin will backfire': Moscow claims US is exploiting Ukraine conflict in bid to force Russian president out of power

The West is exploiting the Ukraine conflict in a deliberate bid to force Vladimir Putin out of power, Moscow claims.

This is the real aim of US policy, but the attempt will backfire, warned former FSB secret service chief Sergei Stepashin, who preceded Putin as prime minister.

In an open letter to Barack Obama – amid a fragile ceasefire in Ukraine – he accused the US president of ‘propaganda’ in blaming Russia for the violence in Ukraine and claiming Moscow threatens its neighbours.

He said Mr Obama was ratcheting up sanctions to ‘isolate Russia and generate a new Cold War’, aiming to hurt the country’s economy to the extent that Putin is forced out.

‘It is perfectly obvious that you are preparing grounds to loudly state your main goal: “Putin should resign”,’ he said.

Stepashin, now head of the Russian government’s accounts chamber, claimed Putin had outplayed a ‘hurt’ Mr Obama over Syria, preventing Western military intervention, and with his peace plan had caused the US president ‘to lose face’ in Ukraine.

He added the White House was seeking to pull Europe into a conflict there, showing Mr Obama to be a ‘hawk who dresses up as a peacekeeper and can be called the father of the new Cold War’.

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And I read very little from Donetsk and Lugansk, the Ukrainian cities which have  for months been indiscriminately shelled by the Kiev  junta whose violent, lawless seizure of power we so stupidly backed last winter.

The Kiev regime has been ‘killing its own people’ in their hundreds, and sad columns of refugees are fleeing from its guns and rockets, and from the cruel ultra-nationalist militias which fight alongside it.

But the sort of people who normally complain about such horrors, and demand the overthrow of those who do them, are silent.

They prefer to say lofty and noble things about wicked Vladimir Putin and the nasty Russians – who did not start this war and who warned for years that they had had enough of EU and Nato expansion into neutral territory.

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Re: Media Article Links on the Troubles in Ukraine, Novorossiya/NAF, DPR, LPR/LNR
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2014, 04:07:29 AM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgq8KvJ77l0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgq8KvJ77l0</a>


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Re: Media Article Links on the Troubles in Ukraine, Novorossiya/NAF, DPR, LPR/LNR
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2014, 10:38:50 AM »
I am seeing more and more in the UK Telegraph that is on the money. Here are two from the last couple of days with excerpts. The links will take you to the full articles.

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It cannot be said often enough that what triggered the crisis was not Mr Putin’s desire to restore the boundaries of the Soviet Union, but the ludicrously misguided ambition of the West to see Ukraine absorbed into the EU and Nato. There was never any way that either Mr Putin or all those Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine and Crimea were going to take kindly to seeing the country which was the cradle of Russian identity become part of a Western power bloc. Russia would be even less happy to see the only warm-water ports for its navy taken over by a military alliance that had been set up to counter Russia in the first place.

Vladimir Putin’s 'unacceptable’ action in Ukraine was predictable and provoked

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The “we must stand up to Putin as we did to Hitler” line is pure schoolboy politics. Putin, of whom I saw a fair amount as UK ambassador to Moscow, is not an ideologically driven fanatic, but much closer to Talleyrand – the calculating, pragmatic rebuilder of his country’s status in the world. Certainly the seizure of Crimea was illegal and destabilising. But it was a panicky response to a unique set of circumstances, not the start of an attempt to rebuild the USSR. Of course we are right to reassure those who feel most threatened – as Nato has done with its decision to create a “spearhead force”. We are right to condemn the destruction of MH17, which a report confirmed yesterday was almost certainly shot down. But the idea that sabre-rattling is necessary to convince Russia of Nato’s seriousness is ridiculous. If the Russians didn’t take the Nato security guarantee seriously, why would they be so worried about Ukraine joining?

The second false premise is that economic sanctions can stop Russia. We have deployed sanctions six times against Russia since the Second World War; they have never worked, and won’t this time. There was an air of desperation around claims at last weekend’s Nato summit in Newport that sanctions pushed Russia into the current ceasefire. In reality the US, UK and Ukraine resisted a ceasefire that left Russia in command of the field in East Ukraine. Ukraine only moved to accept the ceasefire because it suddenly started losing the war.

It’s time to back away from the Russian wolf

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Re: Media Article Links on the Troubles in Ukraine, Novorossiya/NAF, DPR, LPR/LNR
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2014, 02:52:49 PM »
Most Europeans in poll think Ukraine should be offered EU membership.

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A majority of Europeans think Ukraine should be offered membership of the European Union but they are divided about whether it should be admitted to NATO, according to a major public opinion survey published on Wednesday.

http://news.yahoo.com/most-europeans-poll-think-eu-offer-ukraine-membership-183628706.html
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Re: Media Article Links on the Troubles in Ukraine, Novorossiya/NAF, DPR, LPR/LNR
« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2014, 03:17:09 AM »
An article by a Russian journalist who was detained and interrogated by the "Donetsk People's Republic" and witnessed the torture of others while being held captive.

http://www.znak.com/moscow/articles/25-08-14/102823.html

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Re: Media Article Links on the Troubles in Ukraine, Novorossiya/NAF, DPR, LPR/LNR
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2014, 02:06:47 AM »
An interesting statement by Strelkov translated to English. Its quite long, here is an excerpt:

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During these same months, several rounds of sanctions have been imposed against Russia, and the half-forgotten claims regarding Abkhazia and South Ossetia have already begun to sound from the mouths of senior military officials and diplomats of the Western countries; unconcealed threats are also heard from Islamist militants controlled by the United States. They are preparing to fight Russia for a long time and in earnest. The West and the Fifth Column make virtually no secret of their plans to overthrow President Putin; and subsequently to completely dismantle Russia. Their agents of influence use all means at their disposal to convince the leadership of the country that reconciliation is not only possible, but also singularly necessary. The fact that nothing but Russia’s complete capitulation will appease its enemies is being carefully concealed from the public and, possibly, even from the President.

You can read it all here: http://slavyangrad.org/2014/09/12/we-will-not-allow-for-russia-to-be-ripped-asunder-and-ruined/



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Re: Media Article Links on the Troubles in Ukraine, Novorossiya/NAF, DPR, LPR/LNR
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2014, 06:57:55 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/special-report-moscow-stifles-dissent-soldiers-return-coffins-090051931.html

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Vitaly Cherkasov, a human rights lawyer, said that authorities are using threats and administrative punishments - like ‘foreign agent’ status - to keep people from talking. But even with that pressure, information spreads.

Yulia Ganiyeva, 22, received a phone call from an anonymous officer on Sept. 4, informing her of the death of her fiance Alexei Zasov, 22, who served in the 31st paratroopers brigade in Ulianovsk, Vladimir Lenin's home town on the Volga river.

"They officially said that he was killed on Russian territory but the truth is that he was killed in Ukraine," she said.

"I got in touch with soldiers who served with him. They told me he was killed in Ukraine." 
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Re: Media Article Links on the Troubles in Ukraine, Novorossiya/NAF, DPR, LPR/LNR
« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2014, 02:23:03 AM »
Opening Remarks of President Vladimir Putin at the Russian Security Council Meeting.

Two excerpts:

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However, ever more frequently today we hear of ultimatums and sanctions. The very notion of state sovereignty is being washed out. Undesirable regimes, countries that conduct an independent policy or that simply stand in the way of somebody’s interests get destabilized. Tools used for this purpose are the so-called color revolutions, or, in simple terms – takeovers instigated and financed from the outside.

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People came to power through the use of armed force and by unconstitutional means. True, they held elections after the takeover, however, for some strange reason, power ended up again in the hands of those who either funded or carried out this takeover. Meanwhile, without any attempt at negotiations, they are trying to suppress by force that part of the population that does not agree with such a turn of events.

At the same time, they present Russia with an ultimatum: either you let us destroy the part of the population that is ethnically, culturally and historically close to Russia, or we introduce sanctions against you. This is a strange logic, and absolutely unacceptable, of course.

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Re: Media Article Links on the Troubles in Ukraine, Novorossiya/NAF, DPR, LPR/LNR
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2014, 10:12:15 AM »
An interesting article on an interesting site I encountered today. It is more of an overview of what is happening in Ukraine and why.

http://www.russiaotherpointsofview.com/2014/09/reality-check-from-russia.html#



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Re: Media Article Links on the Troubles in Ukraine, Novorossiya/NAF, DPR, LPR/LNR
« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2014, 12:45:18 PM »
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"It's not the (local) militia here anymore, it's mostly Russians who take part in combat," says the former paratrooper.

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Re: Media Article Links on the Troubles in Ukraine, Novorossiya/NAF, DPR, LPR/LNR
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2014, 01:21:23 AM »
James Bissett is a former Canadian diplomat. He was Canada’s ambassador to Yugoslavia, Albania, and Bulgaria:

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Sadly, the crisis is completely unnecessary and the responsibility lies entirely in the hands of the United States – led NATO powers. The almost virulent propaganda onslaught blaming Russia for the instability and violence in Ukraine simply ignores reality and the facts.

NATO, spurred on by the United States, has been determined since the collapse of the Soviet Union to surround Russia with hostile NATO members. The first attempt to win Ukraine over to the West through the Orange Revolution in 2004 failed but NATO kept trying and now has “let slip the dogs of war” on that unfortunate country.

It was inevitable that NATO’s expansion eastward would at some point run into hostile Russian reaction.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/nato-at-the-heart-of-a-new-cold-war-says-former-ambassador
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« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2014, 02:25:08 AM »
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“No leader of a major power has behaved as overtly aggressively since Stalin in the postwar period, and sadly Putin would be very pleased with the comparison. He has said the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest tragedy of the 20th century and he claims the right to act on behalf of Russian minorities in other states. As there are Russian minorities throughout the old Soviet Union and far wider he is in principle claiming the right to interfere in the affairs of all of the independent sovereign states of eastern Europe. Stalin’s policies pushed the world into the cold war. Putin has the potential to be equally as dangerous.”

Bob Ainsworth MP - British Labour Party

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Re: Media Article Links on the Troubles in Ukraine, Novorossiya/NAF, DPR, LPR/LNR
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2014, 02:07:06 PM »
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“No leader of a major power has behaved as overtly aggressively since Stalin in the postwar period, and sadly Putin would be very pleased with the comparison. He has said the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest tragedy of the 20th century and he claims the right to act on behalf of Russian minorities in other states. As there are Russian minorities throughout the old Soviet Union and far wider he is in principle claiming the right to interfere in the affairs of all of the independent sovereign states of eastern Europe. Stalin’s policies pushed the world into the cold war. Putin has the potential to be equally as dangerous.”

Bob Ainsworth MP - British Labour Party

http://www.inquisitr.com/1479376/vladimir-putin-as-dangerous-as-stalin-and-bigger-threat-than-isis-claims-former-defence-secretary/

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Re: Media Article Links on the Troubles in Ukraine, Novorossiya/NAF, DPR, LPR/LNR
« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2014, 12:52:26 PM »
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A reported claim by Ukraine’s Defense minister that Russia used tactical nuclear weapons against his troops sparked sarcastic comments from Moscow and criticism from the rival Ukrainian Interior Ministry.

The allegations, by Col. Gen. Valery Geletey, were first reported by Roman Bochkala, one of the Ukrainian journalists accompanying the minister in his recent trip to Poland.

http://rt.com/news/189420-ukraine-nuclear-strike-russia/

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Let Putin enjoy his Ukraine victory

Last week the ‘West’ was roundly beaten by Vladimir Putin in the First Ukrainian War. The EU not only delayed a crucial part of its imperial deal with Kiev. It openly admitted that this was a concession to Moscow.

The resulting compromise could have been had last winter, before the EU and Washington mounted their violent mob putsch against the elected President of Ukraine, ludicrously claiming they did this in the name of democracy and good government. All the thousands of lives lost since that putsch were needlessly sacrificed. There is no magic formula which says that Ukraine, under Western domination, will cease to be grossly corrupt, lawless, bankrupt and unfree.

Russia has shown quite clearly that it means what it has patiently said for years, and will fight against any further Western expansion of the EU.

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