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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2013, 07:43:38 AM »
Chirs, thanks, money is not an issue for you. You are attitudinally disinclined to participate and that is fine. Why would anyone argue with that choice?

Money would not change that attitude, at least not if you were honest with yourself.

Just a thought for you. When you watch the News at Ten, did you notice the cast list of actors at the end of the programme? Did you see the invitation to join the cast of the News at Ten?
No you didn't. They don't exist.
Documentary making is a part of journalism and I am sure that you get why authoritative journalism does not condone or involve payment to participants.

To save me a load of writing here's an article where the writer makes the points about NOT paying in a succinct manner: http://www.rosenblumtv.com/2012/02/should-you-pay-people-to-be-in-your-documentary/
The writer Michael Rosenblum is a trainer of documentary makers so we can probably understand that while you might disagree with him, he probably knows what he is talking about.

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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2013, 08:49:53 AM »
Documentary making is a part of journalism and I am sure that you get why authoritative journalism does not condone or involve payment to participants.

You might think so, but the Discovery Channel has been caught out before doing exactly that, (a number of times actually) hiring of actors for a documentary and fabricating evidence.


To save me a load of writing here's an article where the writer makes the points about NOT paying in a succinct manner: http://www.rosenblumtv.com/2012/02/should-you-pay-people-to-be-in-your-documentary/
The writer Michael Rosenblum is a trainer of documentary makers so we can probably understand that while you might disagree with him, he probably knows what he is talking about.

I will read it just as soon as I have time

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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2013, 08:54:47 AM »
Would you be on the programme?

Of course he would, he is a narcissist. It would help inflate his self importance
and his expertise in all things in life. In addition he could put others down, further
enhancing his narcissist personality and need for attention at the expense of others.

Do you see Mendy these days? Andrew is to thank for that
Ada left because of Andrew
Alenika?
Vinny?
Krassy?

How many more? too many to list

Andrew would be perfect for the show except that he has never pursued a
woman with intentions for marriage. No matter he is an expert and should
be on the show for general purposes and adoration of self.



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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2013, 09:02:35 AM »
Would you be on the programme?

Of course he would, he is a narcissist. It would help inflate his self importance
and his expertise in all things in life. In addition he could put others down, further
enhancing his narcissist personality and need for attention at the expense of others.

Do you see Mendy these days? Andrew is to thank for that
Ada left because of Andrew
Alenika?
Vinny?
Krassy?

How many more? too many to list

Andrew would be perfect for the show except that he has never pursued a
woman with intentions for marriage. No matter he is an expert and should
be on the show for general purposes and adoration of self.

You are flying off at some tangents there Bill. We have other topics more suited to some of that really.

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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2013, 09:33:20 AM »
 There has been a show or two  done by a CDN crew who followed some women to Africa and to some Muslim countries. It wasn't a shocking freak show of non paid cast members, just a few gals looking to find a guy. Watching it I had my doubts about the sincerity of one couple.
 There is hope for this UK crew to do a normal broadcast, I highly doubt any US crew would do something that didn't cater to the ADD crowd.

 Any idea when they plan to put it to air?

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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2013, 10:00:55 AM »
Please note that I was making a point about payment as it applies to people here. I posted a link to an article that makes clear the arguments for not paying folks. Feel free to disagree, that's fine.

Please also note that the documentary is made by a production company, their work has been commissioned by Discovery Channel and that is probably the case for other documentaries mentioned above.

Of course, we all know that just because something is done does not make it right that it be done.

Hey, Bill, how are you getting on with your obnoxious theories?


Bill, if you have a point to make please do so in an appropriate forum. You can have your fantasies and people here, including myself, are willing to let you indulge them from time to time. Please remember that the choice of any person to post or not post is their choice alone. Apart from the moderation team who can ban somebody nobody else makes any choices on behalf of anyone here in respect of participation.

Funny that different people get the blame for the same fantasy depending upon the time of the month and the current need for a scapegoat by some damaged person or other.

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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2013, 11:11:05 AM »

You are flying off at some tangents there Bill. We have other topics more suited to some of that really.

Yes, I agree. Please move this to a more appropriate place.


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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2013, 09:13:58 PM »
If this docu is looking for a "pop the question" and a wedding, then clearly they are not serious about this.
Everyone loves to watch a wedding and some middle aged exec prod is sitting in her office dictating what the show is to look like based on what gets ratings.

While this may make her production company some money, I very much doubt it will reflect anything of value about the business or the struggles we go through in search of a woman of quality.

That kind of docu would start with screening of men for interesting candidates and at least a year to follow them down all the dead ends and blind alleys. That would be a docu that men would want to watch.

When you get serious about this subject for a docu, please check back here.

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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2013, 11:58:27 PM »
Yes have had a couple of conversations with this guy, although i feel his intentions are fine, i spoke at length with him at doing it at the wrong time of year and over to short of time scale

The three couples we are working with  had no interest in this at all, as i believe most couples would be and this is what i had told him at the outset.

Factor in the ideal he wanted was to follow a couple getting married in this country and he was severely limiting his horizons.

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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2013, 11:29:51 AM »
Not all journalists agree with Andrew.



It seems like you are only looking at this from a "NEWS" point of view. The key word here is "Journalism". Documentarians are not journalists. Many specialists, scientists, or industry leaders have only one product to sell for their livelyhood and that product is their intellectual property.

Take the movie "What the Bleep do we know" for an example. Should all of these VIPs just donate their time when the finished product of the interviews netted over $10 million? I think not.

As I stated before, if it's part of a product being created as a money making venture, payment is very proper.

I fully agree that one should never pay for an unbiased news story. News is news and docs is docs.

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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2013, 12:13:49 PM »
Lonedrake, while you might be correct about SOME people who make documentaries the guy who wrote the article I linked above is a documentary maker who does NOT agree with payment and I'd bet that a large number of the filmmakers he has trained wouldn't either.

Is always a bit of a problem when we try to be absolutist about an issue that quite clearly has a range of informed opinion.

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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2013, 12:57:26 PM »
As I stated before, if it's part of a product being created as a money making venture, payment is very proper.

I agree.

How would a programme get proper people for free?

If we trail down to London (which is usually where this stuff is) it means we spend our time and lose money. Minimum would be one night in a hotel, and I don't want a fleabitten B&B - I want an experience in a 5* with expenses paid. London is 200+ miles from us, so 400 miles at 25mpg means £80+ in fuel. Wifey wants hair and make up people, so she looks OK on the telly.

When in London, we want to eat out, and that isn't cheap there. Cabs will be needed each way. So there is £250.

We then add in lost salaries and inconvenience, childminders, etc.......

Then some incentive for being on the show. Which will be aired again and again and again on every budget channel for the next decade.  (:)  Couple of grand each at least.........

Its easy to see that the bill will be at least £5000-£6000 to ship a couple in from the north, pay their bills and make it all cozy.

But then I asked for editorial approval of what they showed. I wont have us edited to make us look like muppets to suit an agenda, because if they keep it real, we could make a decent fist of normalising the "industry".

Some bloke on the dole writing a daft bint in Odessa? He'll do it for £100 beer money and his fifteen minutes of fame. So who do they choose? They can cut and edit him however they like. Why they end up with Dave from Waterfoot and not normal people here.

The more they pay the less they make. So logic dictates they pay next to nothing. Pay peanuts and you get monkeys.

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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2013, 01:01:44 PM »
There is a chunk of difference between paying your out of pocket expenses and paying you for your contribution or time. The difference was pointed out upthread.

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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2013, 01:12:40 PM »
There is a chunk of difference between paying your out of pocket expenses and paying you for your contribution or time. The difference was pointed out upthread.

Not really.

What about lost salary? Is that not an out-of-pocket expense?

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Re: Looking for love abroad? The Discovery Network wants you!
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2013, 01:14:48 PM »
As I stated before, if it's part of a product being created as a money making venture, payment is very proper.

The more they pay the less they make. So logic dictates they pay next to nothing. Pay peanuts and you get monkeys.

Or just one very obnoxious ape!   :ROFL:
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