Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?

[dcguyusa]

One big difference between East and West dating is that arranged marriages are more common in the East. Applying for a visa is similar process like applying to enter Russia.  You need to show your itinerary of where/why you are visiting.  You can also get married overseas if you want (but you need notarized certifications from the State Department and Local County governments).

[AvHdB]

The greater issue is cultural. There is an enormous gulf between any Western culture and that of a Chinese woman in a region if some one wants a true relationship.
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Was thinking about this and I suspect the greater issue is how women (& men) view a relationship in different cultures. It might take a while but a person will adapt to the prevailing norms of the society he or she is in.

[andrewfi]

If we start from the premise that guys look for foreign wives because they can't find a woman compatible with their particular needs from the millions of women in their own country then it is likely that it will be even harder to find a compatible partner in China than from Eastern Europe.

It is about culture.

There's quite a large set of cultural differences between the United States and Eastern Europe but that's as nothing compared to the gulf between the USA and China.

About the only plus point that I can think of is that the Chinese women that Westerners find physically attractive tend to be physically unattractive to Chinese men so they will be able to, more easily, find a woman that they fancy who is not already hooked up.

[AvHdB]

. . .  About the only plus point that I can think of is that the Chinese women that Westerners find physically attractive tend to be physically unattractive to Chinese men so they will be able to, more easily, find a woman that they fancy who is not already hooked up.

Interesting observation. Curious can you expand on this part from your viewpoint.

[dcguyusa]

then it is likely that it will be even harder to find a compatible partner in China than from Eastern Europe.

From a cultural and communication standpoint probably true, but not necessarily from an economic standpoint.  "MOB industry" stereotypes probably more prevalent in Asia than Europe.

There's quite a large set of cultural differences between the United States and Eastern Europe but that's as nothing compared to the gulf between the USA and China.

Probably true, but I know of someone in the US (Caucasian) who was "introduced" to an Asian women overseas on his trip to China (through an Asian living in the US) and that lady knew no English.  They got married and she immigrated to the US and now they have a family here.  People will adapt if they see a promising future elsewhere.

[andrewfi]

Of course, some people do it. A couple of my closest friends are a European /Chinese couple. But that does not mean that lots of people do it successfully.

Same as American guys, some do marry Ukrainian women.

[Steveboy]

They also tend  to have a little more hair  where many Eastern European women don't ..

[Texan77]

There is a problem with the Chinese woman as a spouse. They come with Chinese parents who are expecting their only daughter to care for them the rest of their life. This is something that many western men may find hard to handle.  You may find your self caring for an aging parent in an FSU country but as far as I know it is not likely to be anything like what would be expected if your spouse were Chinese. I have a friend who is experiencing this.

On one of my trips to the Ukraine, I met a young Chinese woman at an airport. WE talked for several hours waiting on a plane. She said she would only marry a Chinese man because she knows it would be difficult for a western man to support her need to care for her parents. She was like most Chinese women an only daughter and a only child. This is her parent's only hope to have a family in the late life. This is very important in Chinese cultural.

There are things more important things than the girl's butt or how much hair she has.

[AvHdB]

There is a problem with the Chinese woman as a spouse. They come with Chinese parents who are expecting their only daughter to care for them the rest of their life. This is something that many western men may find hard to handle.  You may find your self caring for an aging parent in an FSU country but as far as I know it is not likely to be anything like what would be expected if your spouse were Chinese. I have a friend who is experiencing this.

On one of my trips to the Ukraine, I met a young Chinese woman at an airport. WE talked for several hours waiting on a plane. She said she would only marry a Chinese man because she knows it would be difficult for a western man to support her need to care for her parents. She was like most Chinese women an only daughter and a only child. This is her parent's only hope to have a family in the late life. This is very important in Chinese cultural.

There are things more important things than the girl's butt or how much hair she has.

Interesting observation, thanks for sharing. Good to see you posting again.

[Steveboy]

There is a problem with the Chinese woman as a spouse. They come with Chinese parents who are expecting their only daughter to care for them the rest of their life. This is something that many western men may find hard to handle.  You may find your self caring for an aging parent in an FSU country but as far as I know it is not likely to be anything like what would be expected if your spouse were Chinese. I have a friend who is experiencing this.

On one of my trips to the Ukraine, I met a young Chinese woman at an airport. WE talked for several hours waiting on a plane. She said she would only marry a Chinese man because she knows it would be difficult for a western man to support her need to care for her parents. She was like most Chinese women an only daughter and a only child. This is her parent's only hope to have a family in the late life. This is very important in Chinese cultural.

There are things more important things than the girl's butt or how much hair she has.

From my experience its usually one of the most important points ...   Just like looking for a young beauty queen in Ukraine 35 years younger than yourself.. usually the sexual side takes most priority... most guys can't afford to support them selves so supporting another women family doesn't even come into the question ?

[Steveboy]

Generally guys (About 70% ) have no thoughts what so ever about looking after any family..

They look for one thing:

[msmoby]

They also tend  to have a little more hair  where many Eastern European women don't ..

How many Chinese women have you dated, Steveboy?))

I dated a Taiwanese lass living in the UK who was THE main supplier for Tie-Rack....( what ever happened to them?)

Cannot say I remember her being excessively forested.

We fell about laughing when she told her Mum ..on speaker phone...that my latest gf wasn't a Russian Tart...but Chinese..and bald down there ...

[andrewfi]

AvHdB asked about support for my point about beauty. Well, for me it was first-hand experience from time spent in China and from experience in life in general. There's not a huge amount of academic research on the topic but here's a well-written piece that covers the kind of ground that I was referring to:
http://qr.ae/TUp5Qv

The comments are well worth a read as well. Have a look at the images in the first comment.

Of course, there are certain traits, mainly to do with perceived health and motherhood potential that are common to pretty much any culture but the article above considers the traits that are culturally based. Another point to bear in mind is that a lot of guys who must seek a foreign partner are just not too picky, they are not used to being successful with women and so they are happy to respond positively to a woman who gives them some attention - and that's something that can be seen not just in China.

[AvHdB]

AvHdB asked about support for my point about beauty. Well, for me it was first-hand experience from time spent in China and from experience in life in general. There's not a huge amount of academic research on the topic but here's a well-written piece that covers the kind of ground that I was referring to:
http://qr.ae/TUp5Qv

The comments are well worth a read as well. Have a look at the images in the first comment.

Interesting read, even rather funny at times. I am reminded of the adage; Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

[AvHdB]

They also tend  to have a little more hair  where many Eastern European women don't ..

I thought Steve you were a carpet muncher! 

[dcguyusa]

This is her parent's only hope to have a family in the late life. This is very important in Chinese cultural.

The concept of filial piety is a major part of Chinese culture (note the tomb cleaning holiday).  Although with the worker migrations from the villages to the cities, many more older people are left to fend for themselves now.

[Steveboy]

They also tend  to have a little more hair  where many Eastern European women don't ..

How many Chinese women have you dated, Steveboy?))

I dated a Taiwanese lass living in the UK who was THE main supplier for Tie-Rack....( what ever happened to them?)

Cannot say I remember her being excessively forested.

We fell about laughing when she told her Mum ..on speaker phone...that my latest gf wasn't a Russian Tart...but Chinese..and bald down there ...

None!! But I have seen them in porno's or were they Japanese 

[Markje]

I Simply can't find chinese women attractive. Some have a pretty face, but as soon as they start talking its all over down there.

Japanese / Thai and others are not comparable, I have been to Fukuoka/Japan and you'd best not tell anyone you think they and the chinese are the same race 

[Steveboy]

What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!

There are thousands of young Chinese guys that have suddenly appeared on the scene looking for a wife and lots of youngsters with plenty of money...

Unfortunately it seems the general consensus for Russian women and Ukrainian women is they are not so interested...

[msmoby]

What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!

They have a 'middle class', money and heard about FSU ladies ?

[Steveboy]

What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!

They have a 'middle class', money and heard about FSU ladies ?

Going by some of their photos they have more than "Middle class " Money , plenty of young under 30's driving around in the latest Merc looking for a young Russian girl..

[Manny]

The Moby and Guile show has been moved - keep it on the new topic please.

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=27320.0

[Manny]

What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!

White is the prize.

[msmoby]

What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!

White is the prize.

I am surprised that someone who has been to China would post as such...

Perhaps you are trying to up the post count by being so 'contentious'

I know Cantonese Chinese, better..but my experience suggests ...like us western guys... some desire the concept of exotic ( different) to what is on offer at home..

Perhaps you should read some Clavell to understand how many Chinese view us....'Barbarians'...

[dcguyusa]

What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!

There have also been reports of Chinese men going to Vietnam and other border nations searching for women.  The high emphasis on male progeny (who support the family tree) and the one child policy has dropped the number of female births for the country which then leaves a smaller female to male ratio over the past decades.  If the men cannot find single local women, then they have to look elsewhere.