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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1125 on: October 28, 2017, 02:02:21 PM »
A week ago, on Saturday, for a walk and we ended up at the Mariinsky Park, which is anchoured at one end by the Rada. It has a nice view over the Dnieper and further East the Right Bank.

There is opposite the Rada a protest from the Right Sector. It was almost surreal or dystopian, babushka's with there little dogs, Right Sector militia, and kids using Segway's. Opposite the Rada is a portion fenced off, occupied by those of the a Ukrainian Nationalist tint in numerous tents. Both ends are open and people make there way through, lovers, and platoon's of Ukraine military, along with those hurrying some where else. Outside well organized, are portable latrines, out would step a policeman in riot gear and than next to him would come some para military pimple faced kid from the Right Sector. You could see some one with an affiliation to Ukrainian nationalism, discussing matters with an Orthodox Father. Vendors were selling trinkets and there flowers and Ukraine flags for sale as well. Plus the snails (mobile coffee kiosks) selling espresso.

The fences were well guarded by the military posted every ten meters, but they were back to the fence. Some took foto's others went about there business. It seems there is no interest for the far right. For every Nationalist there were ten policeman and military milling about. Further away the police were controlling trucks before allowing them to get closer, which seems like an intelligent precaution.

It certainly is not a tense situation. In fact it was more Kafkaesque than anything sinister. 

I will update today's visit to the same location after the pain subsides of loosing a game of chess to a 12 year old.

Any chance of snagging a few pictures for us Av?
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1126 on: December 23, 2017, 07:07:01 AM »
Over the last several days in Kiev it has snowed, one day from four to over six inches. Tomorrow going into Christmas there will again be snow, but followed by rain. There is it seems a rush to clear the roofs of the snow build up and ice dams.

Pedestrians be aware!

Another thing that I have noticed over the last couple days is a marked increase in shopping for groceries in high end spirits and in particular, Champagne(ski). It seems more people celebrate Western Christmas as well.
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1127 on: December 24, 2017, 06:40:49 PM »
Over the last several days in Kiev it has snowed, one day from four to over six inches. Tomorrow going into Christmas there will again be snow, but followed by rain. There is it seems a rush to clear the roofs of the snow build up and ice dams.

Pedestrians be aware!

Another thing that I have noticed over the last couple days is a marked increase in shopping for groceries in high end spirits and in particular, Champagne(ski). It seems more people celebrate Western Christmas as well.

I was told by my Russian teacher that in Ukraine it was decided (not sure by whom) to celebrate "Western date" Christmas. I guess as a pro-Europe thing.
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1128 on: December 25, 2017, 11:49:13 AM »
It seems more people celebrate Western Christmas as well.

I was told by my Russian teacher that in Ukraine it was decided (not sure by whom) to celebrate "Western date" Christmas. I guess as a pro-Europe thing.

So a buddy of mine in Kyiv rang me this morning to wish me a Merry Christmas, and I asked about this very point.  He told me that the government designated the 25th as a day off, but not "officially" Christmas, although there is a "rumor" that they will change the date next year.  Not sure how that would work, as the Orthodox Church isn't going to change the date, etc.

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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1129 on: December 25, 2017, 12:29:18 PM »
There is still snow around but over Christmas Eve we had a heavy rainfall so that Kiev is now soggy and most pedestrian areas are either rivers or puddles. A dinner last night with friends in the newly wall papered and painted apartment of Julia. Despite some prior drama the dinner was delicious and even consumed by Nicolas and another young friend.

Today we went for a long walk and ended passed Mariinsky Park, where there is a protest against corruption and demands for Porschenko to resign. The number of tents has  diminished as have all the police and army units.
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1130 on: July 11, 2018, 05:13:14 AM »
Moderators,

Thank you for the clean up.

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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1131 on: October 02, 2018, 01:03:41 PM »
Earlier I wrote of the connection of The Rolling Stones song Sympathy for the Devil and the novel of Master and Margherita (Ма́стер и Маргарита) written by M. Bulgakov during the Soviet period. Once translated into English the novel was recognized as one of the great satires of the Soviet Union. From this book we have the expression ‘ manuscripts don’t burn.'

The book has been adapted a couple times as a movie it was also made into a ballet which we saw in the Kiev Opera. It was amazing in that the music comes from composers and musicians such as G. Mahler,  J. S. Bach, D. Shostakovich, H. Berlioz and P. Gabriel. It was both amazing and fascinating, perhaps not for everyone it was well produced and quite vibrant. It was far from a classical ballet in the flavour of say Swan Lake.

Av, I was able to locate this post of yours via the search function. Unfortunately it’s the only reference to ‘Sympathy for the Devil’ I was able to find (excepting my own post from yesterday). But perhaps your other post referencing the song is up-thread here on “Back to the Ukraine.”
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1132 on: October 08, 2018, 07:49:53 AM »

I was told by my Russian teacher that in Ukraine it was decided (not sure by whom) to celebrate "Western date" Christmas. I guess as a pro-Europe thing.

Just spotted this:

RUSSIA has now  left the 'official' Orthodox Church - mainly due to disagreements with Ukraine's Church with whom the Orthodox church has sided ..

Greece and Cyprus celebrate the catholic ( small C) Christmas 25th December. Strangely these Churches celebrate Easter based on the Gregorian calendar..Ukraine is just following this line ..( and making a Statement !?)