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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1110 on: June 25, 2017, 06:39:57 AM »

It might surprise many to know what that song actually is about. While I have heard from friends that there is something sinister about Bangkok, and the lyrics play on that, it is about an possible event, with an odd Russian connection.

What many do not know the song was written by the members of ABBA and was part of a musical.

Myself, i learned it many years later...

Btw, i am still thinking of that Kate Bush's song that Ste shared and why it  awoke such initial (strong) aversion in me... I understood more. You see, "he", the hypothetical husband of babushka, in reality was out of the picture. Like in SSSR, like in Yugoslavia. He was killed in WWII. I believe most of us, unlike remembering our grannies, remember the granpa's only from pictures before they went to the war. They were heroes. They sacrificed for us. The husband of babushka could never grow disappointed in her, he was too young when he died. My grandfather was only 27, God bless Him. He is written about  in several books and his name engraved in a monument for heroes who gave their lives for us. That's another reason why it is so confusing (the song). :(
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1111 on: June 25, 2017, 07:32:26 AM »

It might surprise many to know what that song actually is about. While I have heard from friends that there is something sinister about Bangkok, and the lyrics play on that, it is about an possible event, with an odd Russian connection.

What many do not know the song was written by the members of ABBA and was part of a musical.

Myself, i learned it many years later...

Btw, i am still thinking of that Kate Bush's song that Ste shared and why it  awoke such initial (strong) aversion in me... I understood more. You see, "he", the hypothetical husband of babushka, in reality was out of the picture. Like in SSSR, like in Yugoslavia. He was killed in WWII. I believe most of us, unlike remembering our grannies, remember the granpa's only from pictures before they want to the war. They were heroes. They sacrificed for us. The husband of babushka could never grow disappointed in her, he was too young when he died. My grandfather was only 27, God bless Him. He is written about  in several books and his name engraved in a monument for heroes who gave their lives for us. That's another reason why it is so confusing (the song). :(

Does make you think - I have never thought about my grandparents and WW2, both died before I was born, both in their late 30's when WW2 started in 1939, and my Dad's dad being an Irishman in UK probably refused to serve. Would have been slightly too young for WW1 too, I know people lied about their age but they'd have both been 14 at most when it started, probably younger. I'll probably do some research into my Irish side while I'm here in Ireland. Incidentally I walked down one street in Dublin City on Friday and saw plaques on wall regarding the births/deaths/worked/lived in of Wilde, Yeats, Schrödinger, Fanu and others. Joyce on another and even Bram Stoker who I had no idea was Irish. Lot's of famous folks...

Oddly enough I'd been to see a Kate Bush tribute band, first (and I've decided, last) tribute band I'll ever see, not really my chashka chayu...

My recently departed Uncle fought in the Far East and was affected badly, hardly left his room from then until his death about 2 years back...
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1112 on: June 25, 2017, 08:10:18 AM »
I'll probably do some research into my Irish side while I'm here in Ireland. Incidentally I walked down one street in Dublin City on Friday and saw plaques on wall regarding the births/deaths/worked/lived in of Wilde, Yeats, Schrödinger, Fanu and others. Joyce on another and even Bram Stoker who I had no idea was Irish. Lot's of famous folks...

I think you should do that. I know many couldn't care less, but we (both Montenegrins and Balkans in general) are obsessed by ancestry  ;D

I wanted to get to know better an Israeli guy i knew from social networks. I told him, wait, your surname sounds very similar to the guy's who was the first to enter the sea upon Moses splitting it... And he was, like, right, that's my grand-grand-grand-etc.-grandfather  :ROFL:  :thumbsup:

Until this day, you'll see on fb (Monte) comments like: what else could we expect from a guy whose ancestors tried to kill our king  (all of which was at least 150-200y ago)  (:)  ;D

I knew of Joyce obviously, but not about Stoker. I pray to find Ulysses in a good translation (or any per that matter) to my mother tongue, because so far i tried to read Croatian version, but it's too complicated (Croatian as part of SH was understandable for the rest of  us, it was sort of "tamed" for that purpose, but then afterwards there was a big effort invested to reverse that effect and now, 20y later, i'd understand more if reading the original, than the translation. Right now i even understand more Ukrainian texts via Russian, than i understand Croatian via my mother tongue.)

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I was like: what the h*** Chow Chow has to do with anything...  ???  ;D
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My recently departed Uncle fought in the Far East and was affected badly, hardly left his room from then until his death about 2 years back...

May he Rest in Peace.
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1113 on: June 25, 2017, 08:20:15 AM »
I was did a little quiz on British Prime Ministers, see if I can remember the questions...

1. Name all the Irish-born British Prime Ministers.

2. Name the only assassinated British Prime Minister.

3. Name the only Jewish British Prime Minister (easy for you!)

4. Name the only non-British Isles born Prime Minister.

5. Name the only British Prime Minister who's mother tongue wasn't English.
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1114 on: June 25, 2017, 08:46:55 AM »
I was did a little quiz on British Prime Ministers, see if I can remember the questions...

1. Name all the Irish-born British Prime Ministers.

2. Name the only assassinated British Prime Minister.

3. Name the only Jewish British Prime Minister (easy for you!)

I think that's easy for everyone...  ;D Benjamin Disraeli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Disraeli
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4. Name the only non-British Isles born Prime Minister.

Google is my friend  ;D Andrew Bonar Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonar_Law
("Born in the British colony of New Brunswick (now in Canada), he is the only UK Prime Minister to have been born outside of the British Isles.")

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5. Name the only British Prime Minister who's mother tongue wasn't English.

(Googled) David Lloyd George
 Welsh-speaking: only Prime Minister whose mother tongue was not English.
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1115 on: June 25, 2017, 08:47:38 AM »
I was did a little quiz on British Prime Ministers, see if I can remember the questions...

1. Name all the Irish-born British Prime Ministers.

2. Name the only assassinated British Prime Minister.

3. Name the only Jewish British Prime Minister (easy for you!)

4. Name the only non-British Isles born Prime Minister.

5. Name the only British Prime Minister who's mother tongue wasn't English.

I only had correct two out of the five.
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1116 on: June 25, 2017, 08:49:28 AM »
I was did a little quiz on British Prime Ministers, see if I can remember the questions...

1. Name all the Irish-born British Prime Ministers.

2. Name the only assassinated British Prime Minister.

3. Name the only Jewish British Prime Minister (easy for you!)

4. Name the only non-British Isles born Prime Minister.

5. Name the only British Prime Minister who's mother tongue wasn't English.

I only had correct two out of the five.

I forgot the Irish ones but Wellington was one....
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« Reply #1117 on: June 25, 2017, 08:50:53 AM »

I only had correct two out of the five.

Me - only one  ;D
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1118 on: June 25, 2017, 10:08:33 AM »
Does make you think - I have never thought about my grandparents and WW2

I came to my parents later in life than was usual at the time, so, for me, it was my father who fought in WWII (both grandfathers in WWI).  My dad was actually a young veteran - America entered the war in December of '41 and he volunteered on his 18th birthday in '42. 

As you might imagine, my fathers service in WWII is a *HUGE* hit around the dinner table in Russia and Ukraine when the topic comes up and someone inquires.   :thumbsup: 

My father fought in the Pacific and so I generally discuss the American war effort in that context, which is easier for Slavs because they don't have any skin in the game.  The Battle of Midway is a good starting point.

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« Reply #1119 on: June 25, 2017, 10:14:32 AM »
Does make you think - I have never thought about my grandparents and WW2

I came to my parents later in life than was usual at the time, so, for me, it was my father who fought in WWII (both grandfathers in WWI).  My dad was actually a young veteran - America entered the war in December of '41 and he volunteered on his 18th birthday in '42. 

As you might imagine, my fathers service in WWII is a *HUGE* hit around the dinner table in Russia and Ukraine when the topic comes up and someone inquires.   :thumbsup: 


Of course it is. From me too, RESPECT  :bow:
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« Reply #1120 on: June 25, 2017, 10:37:46 AM »
Does make you think - I have never thought about my grandparents and WW2

I came to my parents later in life than was usual at the time, so, for me, it was my father who fought in WWII (both grandfathers in WWI).  My dad was actually a young veteran - America entered the war in December of '41 and he volunteered on his 18th birthday in '42. 

As you might imagine, my fathers service in WWII is a *HUGE* hit around the dinner table in Russia and Ukraine when the topic comes up and someone inquires.   :thumbsup: 

My father fought in the Pacific and so I generally discuss the American war effort in that context, which is easier for Slavs because they don't have any skin in the game.  The Battle of Midway is a good starting point.

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In Russia I do the usual Brit thing about 1939, and tell them about The Phoney War, the Beidecker Raids, The Dam Busters (Dams Raid), The Blitz, The Battle of Britain (Hitler's first bloody nose) and Douglas Bader (Spitfire pilot with no legs) and they lose interest....
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1121 on: June 25, 2017, 11:36:34 AM »
Does make you think - I have never thought about my grandparents and WW2

I came to my parents later in life than was usual at the time, so, for me, it was my father who fought in WWII (both grandfathers in WWI).  My dad was actually a young veteran - America entered the war in December of '41 and he volunteered on his 18th birthday in '42. 

As you might imagine, my fathers service in WWII is a *HUGE* hit around the dinner table in Russia and Ukraine when the topic comes up and someone inquires.   :thumbsup: 

My father fought in the Pacific and so I generally discuss the American war effort in that context, which is easier for Slavs because they don't have any skin in the game.  The Battle of Midway is a good starting point.

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In Russia I do the usual Brit thing about 1939, and tell them about The Phoney War, the Beidecker Raids, The Dam Busters (Dams Raid), The Blitz, The Battle of Britain (Hitler's first bloody nose) and Douglas Bader (Spitfire pilot with no legs) and they lose interest....

How old is your audience?  ;D I remember that as "pioneers" we used to be dragged during various holidays to амфитеатр and some very old people were telling us very long stories about the WWII, and we hated it, and could fake interest for 10-15min, but not longer... Alas, the teachers all together with school principal and the rest of the stuff were standing at our side, and were watching us like hawks   :D :D :D It was unthinkable to yawn or talk or show disinterest in any way... But we did hate that and couldn't wait for the lecture to finish and to go outside to play  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1122 on: June 26, 2017, 01:49:31 AM »
On the same stadium two days before I left Kiev an odd and offbeat event occured there, two different groups of students arrived. You could distinugish two Oriental ethnic groups, One clearly Japanese the other I guessed were Chinese. They each arrived with duffel bags and they mingeled, laughing and joking, speaking English in what I find a humorous way, but ever so politely. Eventually the Japanese dumped there bags out, it was all baseball gear, mits/gloves, bats, face protection gear and lots of hard balls. The Chinese group studied the mits, balls, bats and other bits of gear, some looking at each other with apprehension or confusion. If I did not witness the proceedings I would not believe it. The Chinese did not really have a clue and the Japanese showed and explained, sometimes verbally sometimes by demonstration.

I watched and sort of chuckled from the side lines. I doubt based on what I saw that American baseball has a bright future on mainland China. My guess a Babe Ruth league from a minor town could out score and catch this group.
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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1123 on: June 27, 2017, 05:39:00 PM »

As for Kate Bush my favourite song of hers is 'Running Up that Hill' slightly weird and to be considered is so many different ways.

You know, i re-read the lyrics right now and i listened to the tune, it is weird. I do remember it from when it was popular, but i was too young then and my English wasn't sufficient to understand the lyrics.

I think i was 12 or 13 when "One night in Bangkok" was a hit. I LOVED it. I had no idea what it was about, obviously... Can we understand lyrics subconsciously and... fast forward them in time?!  :biggrin:

"One night in Bangkok and the world's your oyster
The bars are temples but the pearls ain't free
You'll find a god in every golden cloister
And if you're lucky then the god's a she
I can feel an angel sliding up to me

One town's very like another
When your head's down over your pieces, brother

It's a drag, it's a bore, it's really such a pity
To be looking at the board, not looking at the city

Whaddya mean? Ya seen one crowded, polluted, stinking town

Tea, girls, warm, sweet
Some are set up in the Somerset Maugham suite

Get Thai'd! You're talking to a tourist
Whose every move's among the purest
I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine

One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble
Not much between despair and ecstasy
One night in Bangkok and the tough guys tumble
Can't be too careful with your company
I can feel the devil walking next to me

Siam's gonna be the witness
To the ultimate test of cerebral fitness
This grips me more than would a
Muddy old river or reclining Buddha

And thank God I'm only watching the game controlling it

I don't see you guys rating
The kind of mate I'm contemplating
I'd let you watch, I would invite you
But the queens we use would not excite you

So you better go back to your bars, your temples, your massage
parlours"




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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjGFQrQ-5cQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjGFQrQ-5cQ</a>

I remember the video of this song.  I never looked up the lyrics, but got the gist of the song from the visuals.  It came out around the time when Michael Jackson hit "Billy Jean" came out.  Before the 1980s, the songs did not include visuals that came out with the MTV phenomena.

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Re: Back to The Ukraine
« Reply #1124 on: October 28, 2017, 01:48:44 PM »
A week ago, on Saturday, for a walk and we ended up at the Mariinsky Park, which is anchoured at one end by the Rada. It has a nice view over the Dnieper and further East the Right Bank.

There is opposite the Rada a protest from the Right Sector. It was almost surreal or dystopian, babushka's with there little dogs, Right Sector militia, and kids using Segway's. Opposite the Rada is a portion fenced off, occupied by those of the a Ukrainian Nationalist tint in numerous tents. Both ends are open and people make there way through, lovers, and platoon's of Ukraine military, along with those hurrying some where else. Outside well organized, are portable latrines, out would step a policeman in riot gear and than next to him would come some para military pimple faced kid from the Right Sector. You could see some one with an affiliation to Ukrainian nationalism, discussing matters with an Orthodox Father. Vendors were selling trinkets and there flowers and Ukraine flags for sale as well. Plus the snails (mobile coffee kiosks) selling espresso.

The fences were well guarded by the military posted every ten meters, but they were back to the fence. Some took foto's others went about there business. It seems there is no interest for the far right. For every Nationalist there were ten policeman and military milling about. Further away the police were controlling trucks before allowing them to get closer, which seems like an intelligent precaution.

It certainly is not a tense situation. In fact it was more Kafkaesque than anything sinister. 

I will update today's visit to the same location after the pain subsides of loosing a game of chess to a 12 year old.
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