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I started a topic on here recently suggesting that there are changes coming across the mail-order-bride industry. They are now on the horizon and looming rapidly into view. Some of you will have read the topic here: The Mail Order Bride Industry and IMBRA is Changing! (At least for Americans)

In case you missed some of it, many states in the USA are going beyond the International Marriage Broker Act (IMBRA) and introducing their own state laws. There are some links right here about individual states as an example:


Many of you will know our member Andrewfi aka Andrew Wilson who lives in Estonia. In recent months, he has been quietly studying the changes as they happen, and contemplating what they denote for the future of both marriage agency owners and their clients. This month he has written a hard-hitting report detailing his findings. You can download a copy completely FREE of charge by clicking this link: Death of the Russian Bride or by clicking on the ghoulish looking red banner you will see to your right hand side. If you are American, and especially if you are in the Russian bride industry operating from the US or catering to US clients, you want to read this.

On the site you land on, you will find a video by the man himself (In case you ever wondered what he looked and sounded like). When you have downloaded the document and digested the contents, you can use this topic for discussion about it.

I gather Andrew is also on hand to answer questions in case anyone has any.
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Re: The Russian Bride Business is Dead! The Report: Death of the Russian Bride
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2010, 08:18:49 PM »
I have no problem with requiring a disclosure to a lady once you are engaged and starting the Visa process. In fact it is currently suppose to be part of the process that isn't disclose the lady and should be.

The same for the men, they should be given a copy of the ladies background check, criminal check and how many times she had applied for a visa.

 :GRRRR: What I don't like is being require to give the same data to a stranger just to say hello. ...   

This new law won't stop the men from using foreign owned sites. It will only stop the men and Americans from owning and using American owned sites.

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Re: The Russian Bride Business is Dead! The Report: Death of the Russian Bride
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2010, 08:27:44 PM »
 :offtopic: paypal.com

It appears thanks to our Goverment that all credit card processing sites such as Paypal.com will now send out 1099's to the account owners.  Therefore all US based owners will know have to pay taxes on payments to foreign owned companies. 

This is going to put many agencies out of business as the cost is around 10 percent to get money from the USA to Ukraine/Russia though the banking system and still have to worry about setting up legal accounting to between two or more corporations tax laws.

Since paypal doesn't allow foreign owned companies to have accounts.  You can expect to see more sites going though different CC sites or no longer accepting credit cards.  This will prevent the consumer from having a means to recovering funding from scam agencies.

It not only IMBRA that is going to put agencies out of business. Congress is using the IRS to help.

For my agencies we are passing the new cost over to the clients who want to us paypal.com. No additional charge for cash, check or western union.

Anyone who is using a non-usa based credit card processing sites such as paypal please send me a link so I can look into using them in order to reduce the cost to my clients.

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Re: The Russian Bride Business is Dead! The Report: Death of the Russian Bride
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2010, 10:02:06 PM »
It not only IMBRA that is going to put agencies out of business. Congress is using the IRS to help.

I think it is to be expected the US government tries to close down the monetary side along with everything else they are doing. It seems the US government has decided this industry is finished in its current form. Meanwhile, they'll squeeze some extra taxation profit from the dying corpse.  :GRAVE:

Many governments did the same with online gambling as Andrew mentioned.
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2010, 03:59:42 AM »
Yes, as I noted in the report, payments will become just one of the means of control that will be, and are already being, imposed.
The weight of each successive burden will dissuade people from running their business or being clients of those that remain. The online gaming industry is actually a pretty good illustration of what is coming along over the next few months.
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2010, 04:16:13 AM »
Seems to be a error, on your page with the report.
 "page not found"
 I would like to read your report, but think I have the grist of it from the above post's.
 I do not think any one is to surprised at this, since we now have a socialist regime in the US. Lets face it the NAZI's are trying their best to take over America, and most western countrys.
 Their weapon? FEAR.
 Their tool? Money.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2010, 04:24:33 AM »
Hi Curiogeo, I just checked, the download page is working fine, can you retry the download for me?
Thanks.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2010, 04:56:01 AM »
Ok, I did so.
 Error, page not found.
 Is the Video the report?
 At every point where it says down load, it only leads to endless loop.
  It's ok, watched video, as I wrote, I got the gist of it.
 Good enough for me.
 The owners of legitimate "dating, match services", I feel sympathy for, but since The fed gov. has been destroying small, independent business for awhile now, none should be surprised.
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2010, 05:09:22 AM »
Hi curiogeo, I have sent you a PM. The report is not the video, the signup box for the report is down the page from the video.

One thing though, this is not about big V small biz. In this regard all IMBs are in the same boat. The process started several years ago and we are where we are now, in the main, due to complacency.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2010, 05:10:22 AM »
I haven't posted here in months or lurked either. I am here on account of Andrew's email notification of the MOB industry.

I'll say this and go. It isn't just the MOB industry being affected by the new IRS ruling it also affects those in the gold industry as well. Issuing 1099s on everyone buying or selling a gold coin is going to put a real damper on my industry. People turn to gold because they do not trust the government. The last thing they want is for the god damned IRS to have their gold purchases filed in a IRS file in their name. Or to tip off the IRS that they might have a gold stash that they liquidate from time to time. And of course it's not just these two industries that are affected by this. It is everyone who buys and sells. When this takes affect on January 1st 2012 I expect a complete damper of business in America. Did you know that a certain sum of money and above being wired out of the US will not be allowed unless first the owner of those funds proves he has paid the taxes on them? Can't even get a foreign bank account unless you notify the Department of Treasury (IRS). Where is our freedom with all these capital controls? America is going down.

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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2010, 05:24:38 AM »
 Yeah I went to download this too and it doesn't work.

 Until I can read it, I can't comment but this IMBRA was trouble to start with and the idea of American Feminist protecting women from evil American men (yeah right). A couple of high publicized murders (including one featured on NatGo) and a new law has to be passed when there isn't this much protection (from abuse) for American women when you think about it. Has a restraining order stopped a man determine to kill his wife or girlfriend from doing just that? - NO!

 

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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2010, 05:27:42 AM »
I haven't posted here in months or lurked either. I am here on account of Andrew's email notification of the MOB industry.

I'll say this and go. It isn't just the MOB industry being affected by the new IRS ruling it also affects those in the gold industry as well. Issuing 1099s on everyone buying or selling a gold coin is going to put a real damper on my industry. People turn to gold because they do not trust the government. The last thing they want is for the god damned IRS to have their gold purchases filed in a IRS file in their name. Or to tip off the IRS that they might have a gold stash that they liquidate from time to time. And of course it's not just these two industries that are affected by this. It is everyone who buys and sells. When this takes affect on January 1st 2012 I expect a complete damper of business in America. Did you know that a certain sum of money and above being wired out of the US will not be allowed unless first the owner of those funds proves he has paid the taxes on them? Can't even get a foreign bank account unless you notify the Department of Treasury (IRS). Where is our freedom with all these capital controls? America is going down.

Adios

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Re: The Russian Bride Business is Dead! The Report: Death of the Russian Bride
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2010, 06:14:03 AM »
The hyping of the subject and strange method for getting the document raised my eyebrows allready ( but curiousity won ).
Also the message about sending a mail back from the given mailaddress with some kind of specific subject  seem to contradict the message in the mail received which said to click a link.
If I get any spam on this (new and virtually unused) mailadress from now, I will report this here. And it would be a good idea if others do this too, so an official complaint can be made.

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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2010, 06:51:09 AM »
I just downloaded it again as a test just fine. It worked for me.

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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2010, 07:22:15 AM »
I'm also glad I could assist you and "Manny" with retreading a path others have already tread on your joint project and venture in internet marketing. I'll be reading your text and will be happy to post thoughts and engage in discourse if you're capable of it. Thanks for taking the time to post your marketing adventure and research project. Interestingly enough had another member done so there would have been howls of 'self-promotion' etc..

I'm sure there are many other thinking people here who will have plenty of points and opinions to make about your latest missive. Good luck with the new venture. :popcorn:

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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2010, 07:58:33 AM »
Why can't it be uploaded here and shared out to all? Why the need to 'register'?



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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2010, 08:02:51 AM »
Why can't it be uploaded here and shared out to all? Why the need to 'register'?

Because that is how I want to do it.
This is not the only place that has an interest in the 'mail order bride' business.
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2010, 08:11:20 AM »
Most American companies will be impacted and not a big deal. 

When I had my car business in USA and Ukraine every month one or both of these countries caused me to adjust my procedures. 

There are legal ways to get around it and not have any cost impact.  But this is not the message board to discuss things like this.  Really not a big deal.  If it is causing someone issues, they should seek out a partner who knows how to run businesses.

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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2010, 08:15:38 AM »
Perhaps some of the folks who have actually read it will provide some of their opinions for the authors which are from this forum and by proxy help the curious?

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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2010, 08:23:34 AM »
Why can't it be uploaded here and shared out to all? Why the need to 'register'?

Because that is how I want to do it.
This is not the only place that has an interest in the 'mail order bride' business.
So you mean: I can use the addresses in the "database" for some other purposes?

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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2010, 08:30:38 AM »
This may be a good time to mention the many services which offer one-time or disposable email addresses. Some can be perfect when you want to obtain something that requires registration, but don't want the spam that follows.

A simple Google search will yield many options.

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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2010, 08:39:48 AM »
Why can't it be uploaded here and shared out to all? Why the need to 'register'?

Because that is how I want to do it.
This is not the only place that has an interest in the 'mail order bride' business.

I thought the mail order bride business was dead? Isn't that the subject of the report? So why the smoke and mirrors?
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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2010, 09:08:08 AM »
Kievstar, every regulatory change has a cost, sometimes it is not visible and sometimes the cumulative effect is akin to the fate of the frog being boiled alive. At first the wee froggy is comfortable warm, later he is uncomfortably hot and then later he dies, but he did not notice the gradual change that led to his demise.

I take it that you no longer run your business. In the bottom line, if it were still acceptably profitable to be doing so then you would be doing so, yes?
Same same here!


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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2010, 09:12:46 AM »
Well, I downloaded it at work (first attempt) but had to use my email address. Fair warning, I do not expect additional spam from this.

Who uses Norton? Me. I just make sure the spam filter is updated. It works wonders. Besides, A good friend had his computer hacked twice by the same malicious ware, the first time he warned me. Well, Symantec took care of it the first time as easy as pie and the second time (if there was one) I never saw it. My friend switch to Norton. BTW, he is what you would call a geek.

Now to the report. Can you say sensationalism? From where I sit, I see no difference between this report and the "feminazis" reports.

I'll save the discussion for later when everyone has read it.

P.S. Curiogeo, what is it? A NAZI America or a Socialist America? You cannot have it both ways.

P.P.S. Somehow I didn't visualized Andrew with glasses. Everything else was in the ballpark.

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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2010, 09:16:01 AM »
*Warning Spoiler Alert!!!...Don't read if you're sensitive to such things or can't handle reading others thoughts of a written work.*


So here a few opinions and thoughts I had after the 21 pages of reading or so this document consists of as it's 'complete work'.

  • It's a short bulleted read. Clearly and concisely written so even the lowest common 'denominator' <meaning: The minimum reading comprehension for this text is probably at about the 6th grade level on the low end> can follow along. The majority of prose is clearly targeted with that in mind. More on this later.
  • The first 5 pages are mostly rhetoric building into what follows at about page 13.
  • There are more than a few jumps at 'reading the tea leaves' and presuming certain legislative and other things will definitively occur so as to support the author (s) assertions. I was very disappointed on this point as most professional analysis leaves the speculation to be supported by an overwhelming amount of primary source facts as opposed to consisting of mostly vague linkage between the facts and perceived market and the facts. I really expected much more from a 'analyst-professional'.
  • This forum, another forum, and Agency scams are referenced and linked to as part of the 'source' material
  • The presumption and use of the 'post-mortem' format to dissect the 'market' ills was incomplete and predictably bloated with speculation and conjecture which was further supported by a smattering of facts and corroborating sources.
  • Dirty barrel proponents, aren't to be disappointed as the theory is once again discussed and attempted to be further legitimized while trying to soslidify and cement the idea that it's origins rest solely with the author.
  • Predictably, I'm sure a few eyes rolled and snickers and gnawffs of 'Yeah, right..' were uttered when some read my initial prediction here: http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,13322.msg190891.html#msg190891  and short possibly glib follow up here: http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,13322.msg190913.html#msg190913 .
  • Yet as surely as the sun will rise the next day the anticipated 'come on' arrives at about page 18.
    Quote from: www.andrewwilsonsnews.com , Andrewfi, and contibuting authors, et.al The Death of the Russian Bride Business
    I am currently working on finding the right solution. Something that will take the good and augment it amplify it and replace your revenue stream......
    There's more but you get the picture from the above.
  • This is the first step at collating information for other marketing ventures, and information all ready running. The 'e-pinion' piece badly disguised and marketed as an analysis piece which has only a partial analysis in it's text is the author(s) first attempt at establishing his legitimacy and 'expertise' in this arena and creating a demand for future services.
  • There are numerous ancillary potential revenue opportunities to grow from thi foundation for 'authors, internet marketers, and others'.
  • This is just the first phase of a multiphase marketing and business venture attempt and all of us can collectively generate more hype for the author(s) and wait for the other proverbial 'shoe to drop'.
  • Don't worry there is more to come and it will be slowly spoon fed to the willing and collated with other marketing to further the larger business plan.
  • I would have recommended the author write at a higher reading comprehension level as his target audience does have some educated folks used to reading professional literature and dealing with more than the avg. High school graduate intellect.
  • One of the pros was that it was a fast and easy read which was no surprise and is common for such a 'piece'.

These points are a good start to get the discourse started. I'd like to hear what some of the others who have read this advertorial in it's entirety think about the content.


 

 

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