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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1140 on: August 29, 2013, 11:11:47 AM »
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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1141 on: August 29, 2013, 11:46:51 AM »
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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1142 on: September 26, 2014, 03:47:07 PM »
Time for an update; Gold at $1,218.00 and Silver at $17.62 at close of the market on 5PM Friday, September 26, 2014...

So projections of Gold $2,000 were incorrect and looks like Gold is hedging against Deflation versus inflation at this rate...

Looking like Polar Vortex II in North America winter 2014 and perhaps even colder and more snow than 2013 - Fracking supplies of NatGaz are high but many wells in the Bakken of Dakotas burning off as much as 25% of their NatGaz production flows due to a lack of Pipeline Capacity and rail/storage capacity to deliver this abundant cheap energy to the major demand/population Centers in the Cold North USA and even Canada.

Many pundits proclaiming that the vaunted Billion-dollar investor Warren Buffett is rumored to be preparing for a crash as well. The “Warren Buffett Indicator,” also known as the “Total Market Cap to GDP Ratio,” is breaching sell-alert status and a collapse may happen at any moment.

Yet the Obamunists and Senator Karl Levine, Michigan the are screaming that any Company trying to minimize their usurious onerous 40% Corporate Tax Rates by moving offshore (like the Manufacturers that moved to Communist Red China) who were not immoral and anti-American in a globalized economy...  have been shaming Walgreens, Burger King and a number of other major US Companies pursuing international inversions to remain competitive in the reality of global competition...  such that US multinationals are sitting on a war chest of over $2 Trillion USD "locked" in overseas operations and reserves...  Obamunists and Levine Marxists socialist anti-capitalists trying to pass laws to seize this international capital reserves via new tax edicts and congressional and executive action - these fools will just see many companies decide to pivot to the Asia Pacs and simply move the companies to where they are treated best - especially since the NYSE is a go to capital Market for the Chinese mega techs like Alibaba group - could be the model for most multinationals moving forward - Mandarin classes anyone.?.

So barring another CDO/CDS freeze up of the international finance systems (unlikely due to all the US real estate being bought by USA and international investors and just about anyone eligible to apply for MHAA/HARP modified mortgages setting an absolute floor under real estate in most markets...  looks like investors consider that a change in regime in DC or at least a Republican mid term landslide will offer some global rationalization to our insane US Corporate Tax code and repatriate with carrots rather than sticks the offshore US Corporate cash hoards with tax incentives to reinvesting in the USA and creating 30 Million USA jobs over the next 10 years...  One can hope the large and small business conservatives will cancel out the Obamarxists economy killing policies.


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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1143 on: September 26, 2014, 06:42:24 PM »
I could make gold & silver triple in value overnight....
.....by selling all of mine.

Me the next day ----->   :GRRRR:

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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1144 on: September 28, 2014, 06:43:43 PM »
I could make gold & silver triple in value overnight....
.....by selling all of mine.

Me the next day ----->   :GRRRR:

I have been driving around to all the new england antique "malls" where they rent booths to dealers and buying up any proof sets pre-1964 I can find for about $20 each+/-  ... about $15 Metal value Silver Nickel and Copper and then double for numismatic value (currently approx $40 USD per proof set up to $600/700USD for early 50s proof sets) and 100% profit not to0 bad - silver goes back to $40 an oz after QE downward stimulus on interest rates removed and will at least double my money again - a fairly safe bet and US recognized currency and known precious metals content - who knew solid copper pennies would also become valuable.

http://www.coinflation.com/unitedstates/

Description   Denomination   Metal Value   Metal % of Denomination
Lincoln Copper Cent Price   1909-1982 Cent (95% copper) *   
$0.01
$0.0203170   
203.17%
Jefferson Nickel Price   1946-2014 Nickel   
$0.05
$0.0463992   
92.79%
Lincoln Zinc Cent Value   1982-2014 Cent (97.5% zinc) *   
$0.01
$0.0059102   
59.10%
Roosevelt Dime Value   1965-2014 Dime   
$0.10
$0.0172319   
17.23%
Washington Quarter Value   1965-2014 Quarter   
$0.25
$0.0430820   
17.23%
Kennedy Half Dollar Value   1971-2014 Half Dollar   
$0.50
$0.0861647   
17.23%
Ike Dollar Value   1971-1978 Eisenhower   
$1.00
$0.1723306   
17.23%
Susan B. Anthony Dollar Value   1979-1981, 1999 SBA Dollar   
$1.00
$0.0615459   
6.15%
Sacajawea Dollar Value   2000-2014 Sacagawea Dollar   
$1.00
$0.0529059   
5.29%
Presidential Dollar Value   2007-2014 Presidential Dollar   
$1.00
$0.0529059   
5.29%


United States Circulated Silver Coinage Intrinsic Value Table
These coins were in standard circulation until silver was removed from all coinage in 1965 and 1970 (40% silver half-dollars). I recognize that the silver Eisenhower dollar was issued as a collectible only, but I'm still categorizing it with this group. This table illustrates how far the metal value has progressed compared to the denomination's purchasing power after the debasement.

*** Check out our easy-to-print guide on silver coin values including Canadian silver coins.

Table based on September 28, 2014 live precious metal prices:
Silver $17.54/oz  -0.10

Description   Denomination   Silver Value   Silver % of Denomination
Silver War Nickel Value   1942-1945 Nickel **   
$0.05
$.9868   
1973.73%
1916 Mercury Silver Dime Value   1916-1945 Mercury Dime   
$0.10
$1.2688   
1268.82%
1964 Silver Roosevelt Dime Value   1946-1964 Roosevelt Dime   
$0.10
$1.2688   
1268.82%
Liberty Silver Quarter Value   1916-1930 Standing Liberty Quarter   
$0.25
$3.1720   
1268.82%
1964 Silver Quarter Value   1932-1964 Quarter   
$0.25
$3.1720   
1268.82%
1947 Silver Walking Liberty Half Dollar Value   1916-1947 Half Dollar   
$0.50
$6.3441   
1268.82%
1962 Silver Franklin Half Dollar   1948-1963 Half Dollar   
$0.50
$6.3441   
1268.82%
JFK silver half dollar   1964 Kennedy Half Dollar   
$0.50
$6.3441   
1268.82%
40% JFK silver half dollar   1965-1970 Half Dollar (40% silver)   
$0.50
$2.5940   
518.81%
Morgan Silver Dollar   1878-1921 Morgan Dollar   
$1.00
$13.5663   
1356.63%
Peace Silver Dollar   1921-1935 Peace Dollar   
$1.00
$13.5663   
1356.63%
Silver Ike dollar   1971-1976 Eisenhower Dollar (40% silver) **   
$1.00
$5.5467   
554.67%
Silver Eagle   1986-2013 Silver Eagle (.999 Silver)   
$1.00
$17.5224   
1752.21%


United States Circulated Gold Coinage Intrinsic Value Table
Gold coin values below are based on the live bid price at the CME. These coins were in standard circulation until gold was removed from all circulating coinage in 1933. The values below only reflect the gold value, not rarity or numismatic value. All values shown in USD.

Coin value calculations use the 5:40 PM PDT gold price for September 28, 2014:
Gold $1217.50/oz  -1.70

Description   Face Value   Gold Value
Liberty Gold Dollar Type 1   1849-1854 Liberty Gold Dollar Type 1   $1.00   $58.89
Liberty Gold Dollar Type 2   1854-1856 Liberty Gold Dollar Type 2   $1.00   $58.89
Liberty Gold Dollar Type 3   1856-1889 Liberty Gold Dollar Type 3   $1.00   $58.89
Liberty Quarter Eagle   1840-1907 Liberty Quarter Eagle   $2.50   $147.24
Indian Quarter Eagle   1908-1929 Indian Quarter Eagle   $2.50   $147.24
Liberty Half Eagle   1839-1908 Liberty Half Eagle   $5.00   $294.47
Indian Half Eagle   1839-1908 Indian Half Eagle   $5.00   $294.47
Liberty Eagle   1838-1907 Liberty Eagle   $10.00   $588.96
Indian Eagle   1907-1933 Indian Eagle   $10.00   $588.96
Liberty Double Eagle   1849-1907 Liberty Double Eagle   $20.00   $1177.93
Saint Gaudens Double Eagle   1907-1933 Saint Gaudens Double Eagle   $20.00   $1177.93

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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1145 on: October 31, 2014, 10:08:21 AM »
Holy Silver Collapse Batman:

Today at 1PM on Friday 10/31/2014 Halloween day the market trick is the collapse of silver...

A very wise investor I know thinks silver will drop all the way to $7.00 USD per troy ounce - I will be paying attention for purchase of additional silver (.999 Fine One Ounce Silver Eagle modern US Dollar coins quite popular as the coins are among the best Silver value to Numismatic value ratio coins on the market...

Silver was bouncing around $17.40 last week and dropped all the way to $16.05 today.

Gold is likely to drop to less that $1,000/Troy Oz than hit $5,000 like many of the gold bugs were predicting just 3 short years ago.

Gold, silver tumble on strong U.S. growth data, Fed view
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NEW YORK/LONDON (Reuters) - Gold dipped below $1,200 an ounce on Thursday and silver plunged 4 percent to its lowest since March 2010, a day after the U.S. Federal Reserve gave upbeat comments about economic growth and ended its year-long bond-buying stimulus program.

Unexpectedly strong third-quarter U.S. economic growth data on Thursday, coupled with the Fed policy statement which suggested the U.S. central bank could hike interest rates sooner than expected, lifted the dollar index. [FRX/]

Also weighing down on the precious metal complex was data showing weak price pressure in Germany and Spain. Muted inflation readings gave the European Central Bank some grounds to hold off more economic stimulus. [ID:nL5N0SP4BA]

Analysts said that expectations of a sooner-than-expected interest rate hike and a subsequent a dollar rally could further pressure gold prices.

"Our sense is that there are still obviously more adjustments still to come in terms of (higher) real rates and the dollar, and we do feel that gold will be breaking those lows," said Michael Lewis, head of commodity research at Deutsche Bank.

Spot gold (XAU=) fell as low as $1,195.70 an ounce, which marked a three-week low. It was last down 1.2 percent to $1,197.40 an ounce by 11:25 p.m. (1525 GMT).

U.S. COMEX December gold futures (GCZ4) were down $27.90 at $1,197.

U.S. interest rate futures shifted to show better-than-even chances of a rate rise next September. Previously, they had indicated a rise in October.

That dented interest in gold, which as a non-yielding asset tends to benefit from ultra-low rates.

The U.S. central bank largely dismissed financial market volatility, a slowdown in Europe and a weak inflation outlook as factors that might limit progress towards its unemployment and inflation goals. [ID:nL1N0SO24I]

Commerce Department data showed a smaller trade deficit and a surge in defense spending buoyed U.S. growth in the third quarter, though other details of Thursday's report hinted at some loss of momentum. [ID:nLNNULEA31]

Silver (XAG=) was down 4.1 percent at $16.35 an ounce, having earlier hit its lowest since March 2010 at $16.30.

COMEX options floor trader Jonathan Jossen said investors sold silver on heavy losses in copper and technical selling after it broke below key support near $16.80, near its recent low from earlier this month.

Spot platinum (XPT=) fell 1.5 percent to $1,235.25 an ounce, while spot palladium (XPD=) dropped 1.9 percent to $774.75 an ounce.

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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1146 on: October 31, 2014, 10:17:54 AM »
Futures Crashing since this summer:

Symbol   Name   Last Trade   Change   Related Info

HGX14.CMX   Copper Nov 14   3.06
12:02PM EDT
Down 0.01 (0.37%)   

ZGQ14.CBT   Gold 100 oz. Aug 14   1,319.40
Jun 27
Up 2.30(0.17%)   

GCX14.CMX   Gold Nov 14   1,168.30
12:48PM EDT
Down 29.80 (2.49%)   

PAZ14.NYM   Palladium Dec 14   789.75
12:42PM EDT
Up 9.05 (1.16%)

PLX14.NYM   Platinum Nov 14   1,227.00
10:42AM EDT
Down 19.90 (1.60%)

ZIN14.CBT   Silver 5000 oz. Jul 14   21.00
Jun 27
Down 0.11 (0.51%)

SIX14.CMX   Silver Nov 14   15.88
12:04PM EDT
Down 0.51 (3.12%)

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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1147 on: July 21, 2015, 03:50:37 PM »
For those of you who advocated a huge rush to gold in your investment portfolio -

Gold today hit the lowest price since 2010 - 
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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1148 on: July 21, 2015, 04:01:43 PM »
For those of you who advocated a huge rush to gold in your investment portfolio -

Gold today hit the lowest price since 2010 -

Not that I did, or would have done, but there seems to have been something odd going on during Sunday night.
Commentary here: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-21/gold-hammered-down-sunday-night%E2%80%99s-2-minute-27-billion-%E2%80%9Cunprecedented-attack%E2%80%9D

There's been a pattern of hinky trading in recent months, not just in gold. This seems to be just another manipulation which has the effect of leading to aftershocks.
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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1149 on: July 21, 2015, 04:41:28 PM »
For those of you who advocated a huge rush to gold in your investment portfolio -

Gold today hit the lowest price since 2010 -
Yup, China just sold a load if gold, I believe.
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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1150 on: July 21, 2015, 05:17:19 PM »
For those of you who advocated a huge rush to gold in your investment portfolio -

Gold today hit the lowest price since 2010 -
Yup, China just sold a load if gold, I believe.

Nope, they revealed they have far less gold holdings than what people believed they have. However some believe it is a lie to keep the price low so they can buy more.

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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1151 on: July 21, 2015, 05:24:15 PM »
It would seem that forcing the price down was the objective - selling was done at a time when the market would not have been very liquid and a very large number of trades were made in a very short space of time, less than 3 minutes with the main fall happening within one minute.

That suggests a political motive to me.

Price has already risen again, although more in Euros and Pounds than in dollars but the significant point is who will be doing the buying at the moment.

This is a short term manipulation to gain a particular effect which will make somebody a shit tonne of money but be motivated by a political goal.
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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1152 on: July 21, 2015, 11:20:11 PM »
I believe the global economy is slowly contracting make the price of most commodes to drift lower. The price of gold may become quite a bit lower before a bottom is hit. I think then it would be a huge buying opportunity as most countries are way over extended and will likely ruin the value of their currency trying to fix this deflation. We are likely over then next few years get an economy ride to remember where most people in most countries will end up with less than they enjoy now. Think 2008 where no governments has any bailout money left. Not Russia, Not China, Not any body in Europe and not the USA. 

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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1153 on: July 22, 2015, 01:54:35 AM »
For those of you who advocated a huge rush to gold in your investment portfolio -

Gold today hit the lowest price since 2010 -
Yup, China just sold a load if gold, I believe.

Nope, they revealed they have far less gold holdings than what people believed they have. However some believe it is a lie to keep the price low so they can buy more.
Yes, China did reveal this but there was a big sell of on Monday causing the price to fall by 4%.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/07/20/markets-precious-idINKCN0PU04220150720
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Re: Buying Gold to hedge against inflation
« Reply #1154 on: July 28, 2015, 10:02:14 AM »
Tuesday, July 28th 2015 Noon NYC time:

Crude Oil 47.74 +0.74%  Gold 1,093.90 -0.23%  EUR/USD 1.1049  Copper 2.40 +2.02%  Silver 14.64 +0.21%

Wasn't the around $1.40 a year or so ago?

But things still not rosy in US Real Estate even with record low mortgage rates.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. homeownership dropped to a record low in the second quarter as more Americans opted to rent, data showed on Tuesday.

The seasonally adjusted home ownership rate fell to 63.5 percent, the lowest since the government started tracking the series, the Commerce Department said. The rate, which peaked at 69.4 percent in 2004, was 63.8 percent in the first quarter.

The residential rental vacancy rate fell to 6.8 percent, the lowest level since 1985, from 7.1 percent in the first quarter.

Chinese securities markets collapsing down largest drop 8.5% since 2007 yesterday and another 1.6% today so naturally they are trying to capture some value in their vast Gold reserves to offset losses in the securities markets.