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« on: January 12, 2010, 07:16:45 PM »
My son in law manages Safeway delivery in Arizona and so it was with interest that I noted that Ашан now does grocery delivery in Moscow as well.



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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2010, 01:06:33 AM »

My son in law manages Safeway delivery in Arizona and so it was with interest that I noted that Ашан now does grocery delivery in Moscow as well.


Auchan doing deliveries:o  :o  :o

I must have missed something...

Always used Утконос for deliveries, and Auchan for "shopping in person"  :biggrin:

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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2010, 08:01:04 AM »
Olga, a young man we know recently made application to work in delivery there. I assumed that it would be home/business delivery but realize that it could be making deliveries from a warehouse to Ашан stores.

This is all I could find at the website: http://www.auchan.ru/uploaded/Image/Banners%20for%20teasers/DELIVERY_right.jpg


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Re: Life in large cities
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2010, 01:24:38 AM »
I know from my wife that Auchan are planning a delivery service. However, it won't include online shopping. You will have to go to the shop and buy everything. Then they will deliver. Incidentally, I heard today that Walmart plans to enter the Russian market.

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2010, 04:32:11 AM »
What I have heard about Auchan is that it will be an online shopping however, with the "real" Auchan prices (means very low - comparing to other chains presented in Russia), with the "real" Auchan assortment, but the delivery will cost 300 RUR.

IMO, that would be still quite comfortable for a normal \ large family without a car.
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Re: Life in large cities
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2010, 10:39:17 PM »
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Incidentally, I heard today that Walmart plans to enter the Russian market.


They've been camped out in Russia for over 2 years, just no stores yet, first trying to buy an existing chain and as that didn't work out, have changed plans. More on that here...

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Re: Life in large cities
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 06:12:20 AM »
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Incidentally, I heard today that Walmart plans to enter the Russian market.


They've been camped out in Russia for over 2 years, just no stores yet, first trying to buy an existing chain and as that didn't work out, have changed plans.More on that here[/url]...

No, apparently the latest is that WalMart want to buy an existing chain again. They are targeting a big chain called Lenta:

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=359039&cid=6

I don't believe Lenta has a big presence in Moscow, but they are in other parts of Russia. The one thing that always amazes me about supermarkets in Russia is they hardly accept credit cards. Everyone pays by cash in Auchan!! Imagine that in the UK or USA.

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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2010, 06:16:37 AM »
What I have heard about Auchan is that it will be an online shopping however, with the "real" Auchan prices (means very low - comparing to other chains presented in Russia), with the "real" Auchan assortment, but the delivery will cost 300 RUR.

IMO, that would be still quite comfortable for a normal \ large family without a car.

Sorry, I've checked with my wife again and I got it the wrong way round. Apparently Auchan will launch online shopping in Spring or Summer but will not offer delivery! Yes, I also found it had to believe. I can't imagine online shopping without delivery. But this came from a source at Auchan. Of course, they may have changed their mind since...

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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2010, 07:53:36 AM »

Apparently Auchan will launch online shopping in Spring or Summer but will not offer delivery!


They've launched it already, and they DO offer delivery  :nod:

http://www.auchan.ru/pokupki/service/#service1


The one thing that always amazes me about supermarkets in Russia is they hardly accept credit cards.


Not all the supermarkets, or course! Перекрёсток and Седьмой континент do accept credit (debit) cards.


Everyone pays by cash in Auchan!! Imagine that in the UK or USA.


Oh yes, you're right about Auchan  :nod: They don't accept anything but their own "VISA Auchan".

This is actually contradicting the current legislation, which says an enterprise can refuse to accept debit \ overdraft \ credit cards ONLY if they don't have the necessary hardware & software as such.

Auchan obviously has the equipment; they just don't want to pay some tiny %% for equiring to any other bank but their own one.

http://www.auchan.ru/ru/press/39

Hey, this is Russia!  :biggrin:
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Re: Life in large cities
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2010, 08:57:50 AM »

Apparently Auchan will launch online shopping in Spring or Summer but will not offer delivery!


They've launched it already, and they DO offer delivery  :nod:

http://www.auchan.ru/pokupki/service/#service1


The one thing that always amazes me about supermarkets in Russia is they hardly accept credit cards.


Not all the supermarkets, or course! Перекрёсток and Седьмой континент do accept credit (debit) cards.


Everyone pays by cash in Auchan!! Imagine that in the UK or USA.


Oh yes, you're right about Auchan  :nod: They don't accept anything but their own "VISA Auchan".

This is actually contradicting the current legislation, which says an enterprise can refuse to accept debit \ credit card ONLY if they don't have the necessary hardware & software as such.

Auchan obviously has the equipment; they just don't want to pay some tiny %% for equiring to any other bank but their own one.

http://www.auchan.ru/ru/press/39

Hey, this is Russia!  :biggrin:

Thanks, that's actually great news. I understand they were originally planning it without delivery, but must have wised up. I've used Седьмой континент for delivery but their range isn't so good. Interesting about the payment legislation. But I actually quite like being forced to pay in cash. Helps keep track of finances and stops any debts from settling in!

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Re: Life in large cities
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2010, 09:33:19 AM »

Thanks, that's actually great news. I understand they were originally planning it without delivery, but must have wised up.


I understand they were originally planning it with delivery - as the first time I have ever heard about the planned Auchan delivery from a friend of mine (and t was a couple of months ago...), she already mentionned the 300RUR delivery cost  :biggrin:


I've used Седьмой континент for delivery but their range isn't so good.


...not to mention their high prices  (:)


Interesting about the payment legislation. But I actually quite like being forced to pay in cash.  Helps keep track of finances and stops any debts from settling in!


As most cards issued & used in Russia are anyway debit cards - or, in the best case, cards with an overdraft limit - I don't see how doing grocery shopping might possibly create debt...  :biggrin:

However I realise very well how many bonus miles I could have got if I would have been able to pay for my shopping at Auchan with VISA Sberbank \ Aeroflot...  :plane:
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Grocery and retail shopping in Russia & Ukraine
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2010, 02:53:30 PM »
My MIL complains that the stores are too big for her taste and that we don't have room for everything at home when we "stock up" on certain items.


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...apparently the latest is that WalMart want to buy an existing chain again. They are targeting a big chain called Lenta:

They announced the desire to purchase Lenta as early as 2008 and it's been an "on again, off again" senario. Both strategies are moving forward. They've been purchasing property in some cities but it would be to their advantage to do so in with a pre-built base such as Lenta.

The Macromir development company has resumed heavy talks with Wal-Mart recently, something they had done as early as 2007 but had stopped for awhile. Macromir belongs to Andrey Rogachev – the founder of the Pyateroshka food discount chain.  

The parties are discussing two options: Wal-Mart can either rent premises in Macromir’s shopping centres, and while Macromir does own a food chain, their big business is commercial property development. So it would be a natural to have them construct new premises specifically for Wal-Mart.

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Re: Grocery and retail shopping in Russia & Ukraine
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2010, 03:36:57 PM »
As it seems there is interest in business new from Russia, here are some resources my staff uses on a regular basis:

RBK Daily http://www.rbcdaily.ru/ is one of the best periodicals aimed at Russian business. You may now download a daily news summary via pdf to your email address.

RBC News http://www.rbcnews.com/research/research.shtml, a companion to the RBK daily, but a separate service of great interest to those tracking Russian stocks and currencies.

Russia Profile http://www.russiaprofile.org is a business source owned jointly by The Moscow Times and RIA Novosti.

Vedomosti http://www.vedomosti.ru is a partnership of the Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times and one of the most widely read Russian language business publications.

Alinga Market Update http://www.acg.ru/newsletter.phtml is available in both Russian and English.

Construction Russia, www.ConstructionRussia.ru is a good source to find out who is buying and selling property and developing new business sites and factories.

Chief Accountant http://www.glavbukh.ru/ is one of the best for Russian accounting and tax news.

Klerk at www.Klerk.ru is a widely respected site with sections for accounting, law, banking, management, and programming.

C-News http://www.cnews.ru is a major news source about the Russian IT industry.



Business Radio:

Radio Kommersant Business FM: http://www.kommersant.ru/fm/radio.aspx

Moscow Business FM: http://delicast.com/radio/Russia/moscow/Business_FM

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Re: Life in large cities
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2010, 01:55:43 AM »

Interesting about the payment legislation. But I actually quite like being forced to pay in cash.  Helps keep track of finances and stops any debts from settling in!


As most cards issued & used in Russia are anyway debit cards - or, in the best case, cards with an overdraft limit - I don't see how doing grocery shopping might possibly create debt...  :biggrin:

However I realise very well how many bonus miles I could have got if I would have been able to pay for my shopping at Auchan with VISA Sberbank \ Aeroflot...  :plane:

I think a lot of money would be saved if many people in UK took just £100 cash in their purse/wallet to go grocery shopping, instead of wandering round chucking everything in the trolley and using a debit card to pay (and maybe an overdraft) to pay for the total bill.

In the UK big supermarkets like Tesco give you loyalty cards with bonus points for buying things. But I prefer the approach of some supermarkets in Russia that let you purchase a discount card (10%). I wonder which approach saves the most money?

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Re: Grocery and retail shopping in Russia & Ukraine
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2010, 02:08:38 AM »
My MIL complains that the stores are too big for her taste and that we don't have room for everything at home when we "stock up" on certain items.


Auchan stores are quite stressful and I don't like to go too often. You need to be Indiana Jones to reach the checkout unscathed...


 

 

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